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Boston Red Sox II: Soggy Sox Edition

It’s a soggy day in New York. Here in North Jersey, the rain was intermittent and largely stayed away this afternoon, but right now, roughly an hour before the scheduled first pitch of tonight’s game between the Yankees and Red Sox, it’s pouring. The Yankees have said they will try to play tonight, but it’s going to be messy if they do.

Since the Red Sox swept the Yankees in three games at Fenway the weekend before last, the Yankees have gone 4-2 against the Tigers and Angels, while the Sox pushed their winning streak to 11 games with a win last Monday but went a mere 3-4 against the Indians and Rays.

The Sox have made just one change to their roster since the Yanks were in Fenway. Julio Lugo has returned from rehabing his knee to replace Nick Green as the team’s shortstop and number-nine hitter. Green thus moves to the bench where he replaces Gil Velazquez. Given that Green as hitting .304/.371/.464, that’s actually a downgrade for Boston. Perhaps Terry Francona has realized this as Green has drawn the start tonight.

The Yankees, meanwhile, have thought better of recalling Anthony Claggett (who took the spot of the injured Damaso Marte before Sunday’s rain-out) and have farmed Claggett out for Alfredo Aceves. With rain expected nearly all week, this is likely a move made to give the Yanks a long reliever should an extended rain delay end a starters’ night early, but it’s the smarter move regardless of the weather. Aceves has pitched very well in his last two starts for Scranton Wilkes-Barre and showed a nice uptick in velocity in his short-relief outings for the big club last September. He’s worth having around, while Claggett is still trying to adjust to Triple-A. Aceves also gives the Yanks a less valuable alternate if they decide that the conditions for a given game are too dangerous to risk putting a more valuable and more fragile starter out there.

For now, however, they’re still going with Phil Hughes tonight. I, like most of you I’m sure, have been anxious to see Hughes get back on the bump following his fantastic start in Detroit (6 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 6 K, 99 pitches). The Hughes we saw in that start and his September 24 start against A.J. Burnett and the Blue Jays last year (8 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 0 BB, 6 K, 100 pitches) is the Phil Hughes we were all so excited about before his hamstring tear in early 2007. He was pinpointing his 93 mile per hour heater, dropping in wicked 70 mph curves, and keeping hitters off balance and off base with his new high-80s cutter. It would have been preferable for him to start in yesterday’s relatively low-profile game (a Sunday afternoon against the Angels with the Yankees leading 2-1 in the series), but Hughes’s problems have always been physical, not mental. If he’s feeling good, I don’t expect he’ll be terribly disturbed by trying to break the Yankees’ season 0-fer against the rival Sox.

Boston counters with 25-year-old lefty Jon Lester, who held the Yankees to two runs over six innings at Fenway. Lester’s only start since then was a dud (6 IP, 5 R in Cleveland), but curiously his peripherals for both starts were identical (7 H, 3 BB, 7 K)with one large exception: the Yankees didn’t hit a home run off Lester, while the Indians stroked two. Just two of Lester’s five starts have been good ones, but he has struck out 23 men in 19 innings over his last three, so odds are he’s just shaking off some April rust. Last year, he had a 5.40 ERA after six starts, then went 15-4 with a 2.82 the rest of the way.

Nick Swisher (elbow) returns to the lineup to face Lester. Jorge Posada will DH with Jose Molina catching. Melky Cabrera’s in center and hitting seventh. Angel Berroa bats ninth as Joe Girardi continues to deny Ramiro Peña plate appearances against lefties (he has just two, a walk and a strikeout). Peña has been weaker against lefties than righties in his minor league career, but not significantly so (though it’s hard to tell given his poor hitting overall).

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1 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 6:21 pm

Jeter
Damon
Tex
Swisher
Cano
Po
Cabrera
Molina
Berroa

Molina catching Hughes after a day off y'day for Po? Hmmm...

: )

2 Cliff Corcoran   ~  May 4, 2009 6:33 pm

Almost two off-days, as Molina started Saturday, though Posada entered the game in the late innings.

Tonight included, Posada has made 60 percent of the starts behind the plate. Over a full season that would be 97 games. Throw in 18 at DH (he has 3 already; three more per month = 18 total) and that's 115 games, which sounds about right.

3 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 6:41 pm

I don't know if that's why Molina is catching tonight Cliff (the ERA/BAA factor), or that's the Po DHing against a lefty in favor of Matsui factor, or a little of both?

*shrug*

4 rbj   ~  May 4, 2009 6:45 pm

64 and sunny here. Chance of rain Wed & Thurs, otherwise sunny & 60s for the week. Ah, spring.

5 ny2ca2dc   ~  May 4, 2009 6:50 pm

[3] I vote for a little of both.

6 Cliff Corcoran   ~  May 4, 2009 7:04 pm

Did I say something about ERA/BAA? I'm not even sure what you mean, PJ. Do you mean catchers' ERA? At any rate, it's absolutely the lefty on the mound that has Molina in the lineup. Molina can kinda hit lefties, but can't hit righties. A great time to get Jorge one of those half days off.

7 rbj   ~  May 4, 2009 7:14 pm

Via Peter, Joba's mom was busted for selling meth. I know they don't speak, but still gotta be hard on him.

Just glad I got out of that stuff before meth came along.

8 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 8:07 pm

[6] I was referring to the differences in the Yankees pitchers' ERA and BAA when Molina catches them, versus the same stats when Posada catches them. Apparently, that's not a factor at all.

I thought as much, but wasn't sure.

Thanks for answering!

[7] I don't know what's worse, RBJ. Joba being estranged from his mother, or her being arrested for selling meth...

Both are tragic, indeed!

9 Chyll Will   ~  May 4, 2009 8:16 pm

Are they playing tonight or is it rain-delay/out?

10 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 8:21 pm

Delayed.

11 Cliff Corcoran   ~  May 4, 2009 8:21 pm

Delay thus far. They seem to be holding out hope that the system will pass and they can play through after a delayed start. Thus far they've been delayed 80 minutes.

12 Chyll Will   ~  May 4, 2009 8:22 pm

Time to make dinner then...

13 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 8:23 pm

[8] I think it's strictly a match-up issue. In 12 PAs, Molina has an OPS of 1.100 against Lester. Matsui, on the other hand, has K'ed in 2 of his 3 ABs.

I think the best way to utilize Molina is to get him starts in spots where he has a chance to contribute on offense, instead of simply looking at if from a "when does Jorge" need a day off. In the long run, I think Jorge will get the rest he needs, and Molina will be a little more productive.

14 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 8:24 pm

Looking at CERA, Posada's is 7.71 while Molina's is 3.06, but Posada started in the three games that Wang was lit up, so I'm not sure how meaningful it is.

Maybe Molina is starting to prevent SBs?

I hate, hate that Berroa is starting.

15 Cliff Corcoran   ~  May 4, 2009 8:25 pm

Agreed, William, and that matchup advantage extends to Molina's career rates vs. LHP (though not Matsui's, as he's done well against lefties over his career).

16 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 8:25 pm

Ham:

UPDATE, 8:19 p.m.: Still raining, tarp still down, grounds crew no longer mulling around. At this point, it would take at least 45 minutes to get the field ready. So the game is not starting any time soon, if at all.

17 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 8:27 pm

Are they still expecting to get the game in?

18 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 8:30 pm

Around 8 on YES they showed some radar imaging that seemed to show a clearing just south of Philadelphia. Apparently they're counting on that holding up and starting whenever it arrives.

19 Cliff Corcoran   ~  May 4, 2009 8:30 pm

Rich, I almost wonder if Girardi is recognizing that Peña is locked in batting lefty to a degree that's entirely unexpected (.313 avg, .371 OBP) and doesn't want him to lose that groove by hitting righty. I can't entirely blame him for that, but if it's simply a case of thinking Peña can't hit lefties, I say why not let him try in order to keep his glove on the field (even though I'm not convinced Peña can hit anyone over a larger sample).

Rich, can you factor out Wang's innings and earned runs and recalculate Posada's CERA? (not that catcher ERA really has much science behind it, Baseball Prospectus largely disproved it as a valuable statistic in Baseball Between the Numbers)

20 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 8:31 pm

[17] I'm looking at the radar on the NWS website and I'd be shocked if they played today.

21 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 8:33 pm

[18] On weather.com, there does appear to be a large non-precip hole between Philadelphia and Richmond. Doesn't seem to have moved since 8ish though and who knows if it's big enough. Well, someone knows, but not me.

22 ny2ca2dc   ~  May 4, 2009 8:47 pm

[13] That's actually what I meant with [5]

If you're not sick of ARod/SRob read Steve Goldman's latest on pinestriped bible. It's pretty much what many of us are saying (in part).

23 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 8:50 pm

[19] Cliff,

I completely agree. Girardi has disappointed me this season, and that's after thinking that he was the perfect manager for this team before he got the job.

I didn't calculate the CERAs, I got them from ESPN. I went to law school because I'm not that good any math anymore.

I will, however, purchase that book.

24 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 8:53 pm

Ham:

UPDATE, 8:51 p.m.: First pitch at 9:20.

25 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 8:54 pm

Thanks guys!

I appreciate that information!

Time for Hot Dog Soup!

Yes, Hot Dog Soup!

They sure are trying to get this one in...

If they wait any longer, it'll be past Phil Hughes' bedtime!

: )

26 Cliff Corcoran   ~  May 4, 2009 8:56 pm

Pete sez first pitch will be 9:20.

27 Cliff Corcoran   ~  May 4, 2009 8:57 pm

Like Rich said . . .

28 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 9:01 pm

They showed the tarp off the field and Phil Hughes getting ready on ESPN.

29 ny2ca2dc   ~  May 4, 2009 9:03 pm

Dude WTH is hot dog soup?

30 Diane Firstman   ~  May 4, 2009 9:06 pm

[29]

Weren't they a New Wave group?

31 ms october   ~  May 4, 2009 9:10 pm

[22] one other interesting note regarding selena roberts before actual baseball displaces that crap - in his chat today, buster olney, who reiterated that he worked with her at the nyt and is friends with her, basically stated (several times) that he did not think there was enough information in the book to sustain the allegations that he used peds in high school and was pitch tipping

32 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:15 pm

[31] It's really funny how this issue has set up as an ESPN vs. MLBN/SI battle, with ESPN forced into taking the high ground.

33 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 9:15 pm

Hot Dog Soup (Frankfurter Soup)

One Small Onion Diced
One Can Tomato Soup (We use Campbell's.)
Two Cups Beef Stock
Two Potatoes Diced
One Package of Hot Dogs Cut Into Bite Sized Pieces
Pepper to Taste

In a saucepan, sauté onions and hot dog pieces in butter or Crisco, until onions begin to caramelize and hot dog pieces get some color on them. Add everything else, stirring to combine, and bring to a boil. Once boiling, reduce to simmer until potatoes are done.

This is a very old recipe and very good with bread or crackers on the side. You can also add shredded cheddar cheese on the top of your bowl.

Enjoy!

: )

34 cult of basebaal   ~  May 4, 2009 9:24 pm

meanwhile, zack greinke is teh awesome!

35 cult of basebaal   ~  May 4, 2009 9:25 pm

UUUUUUUGGGGHHHHHHEEEESSSSS!!!!!!

36 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:26 pm

[34] He really looks unhittable right now. Who knows...maybe the Royals can be a factor in the AL Central. It's funny how one bonafide ace can really turn your team around.

37 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:29 pm

Cue the rain.

38 ms october   ~  May 4, 2009 9:29 pm

i hope kc does well this year - even though they continue to make poor baseball/financial decisions (eg. kyle farnsworth) i enjoyed the days when they were a good team and had a good rivalry going with the yanks

39 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:32 pm

Lately, it seems like this team doesn't play well when they see Boston. There's almost a triangle at work in which the Red Sox seem to beat the Yankees, the Yankees beat Tampa and Tampa beats Boston.

40 cult of basebaal   ~  May 4, 2009 9:33 pm

fucking great Molina.

41 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 9:34 pm

Whoa, I missed the beginning -- I figured they wouldn't play.
This doesn't look so good. The Ortiz double, okay, but the two walks, not okay.

42 cult of basebaal   ~  May 4, 2009 9:34 pm

wild pitch, my ass.

hit molina's glove and never hit dirt???

passed ball.

43 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:35 pm

Hughes is throwing great, but with 25 pitches spent, the bullpen is sure to be a factor. I kind of hope it starts to rain soon...and heavy.

44 Diane Firstman   ~  May 4, 2009 9:36 pm

Lots of empty Legends seats for a Red Sox game ... rain or not.

45 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 9:36 pm

Ump is squeezing the plate..only one run there but 30 pitches in the first on a rainy night..i fear we will see the VerasMarte-asaurus monster tonight..

46 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:36 pm

[41] The walk to Pedroia was a case of nibbling when they should have gone right at him. The walk to Drew was the case of an umpire not liking pitches right on the corner.

47 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 9:36 pm

Better.
Ah, so it was a PB.
Still, Phil must be having control problems,14 balls and 14 strikes.

48 cult of basebaal   ~  May 4, 2009 9:36 pm

nice to see Hughes getting squeezed on 2-2 to Drew.

[/sarcasm]

49 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 9:37 pm

The lousy homeplate umpire and Molina's PB cost Hughes a bunch of pitches.

50 jimcobain   ~  May 4, 2009 9:37 pm

Raise your hand if you think Lester throws less than 15 pitches in the bottom of the inning...

Man, Hughes has good stuff tonight. Wish he didn't nibble after leaving one over the plate to Ortiz.

51 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 9:38 pm

Boy Wonder Lester and his 5.40 ERA on a rainy night..prediction: pain..

52 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 9:38 pm

Ptiches are moving so well even Molina was fooled. :)

Isn't this what Hughes used to do? Take 30 pitches to get out of the first inning, then buckle down after that?

53 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 9:38 pm

Okay, I see. All caught up now.

54 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:38 pm

[44] I had the chance to sit in the section behind the Legends seats and people were coming and going quite frequently. I have a feeling a good amount of the seat holders are holed up in some restaurant.

55 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 9:38 pm

[50] *raises hand*

56 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 9:41 pm

[55] EDIT

After those ball/strike calls???

*raises hand*

57 cult of basebaal   ~  May 4, 2009 9:42 pm

[54] they need to hire seat warmers, like they have at the Oscars ...

58 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:42 pm

Not exactly an encouraging start.

59 cult of basebaal   ~  May 4, 2009 9:43 pm

man, tex is JUST missing pitches ...

60 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:43 pm

Anyone know a rain dance?

61 RagingTartabull   ~  May 4, 2009 9:43 pm

time to put the coffee on...

62 cult of basebaal   ~  May 4, 2009 9:44 pm

bUGHerfuck.

63 ms october   ~  May 4, 2009 9:44 pm

cripeys.

this best not be a 5 inning game the yanks lose 1-0.

64 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 9:44 pm

Why does Tex take pitches that are right down the middle??

65 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 9:44 pm

Lester's curve is excellent tonight.

66 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 9:44 pm

[57] Do you mean they don't have heated/cooled seats in that section?

Shocking!

I bet they got 'em in the Home Clubhouse!

;)

67 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 9:45 pm

[64] He went to the "Gardy School of Not Hitting?"

68 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 9:45 pm

The NOAA forecast shows very little rain ahead. I mean, there's going to be rain, but very light.

69 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:45 pm

[65] He only threw one all inning. He basically pumped fastballs in there and all three hitters looked over match. I hope that's not a case of the Yankees not being ready for this game to start.

70 RagingTartabull   ~  May 4, 2009 9:46 pm

for the love of...

71 cult of basebaal   ~  May 4, 2009 9:46 pm

[62] yeah, just repeat that.

72 ms october   ~  May 4, 2009 9:46 pm

well they aren't going to lose 1-0

73 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 9:46 pm

Fug.

74 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 9:46 pm

Ok, this is a game you can tell we're going to lose and lose badly..Lester Ks the side and Hughes down 2-0 with 35 pitches already..

75 Diane Firstman   ~  May 4, 2009 9:46 pm

That's the Lowell we had at one time .... :-(

76 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 9:47 pm

The scorer seems to have changed the WP to a PB.

77 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:47 pm

I think there's a good chance that the Red Sox are going to take the Yankees to the woodshed again. I am really starting to get the feeling that the Yankees play the Red Sox looking over their shoulders.

78 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 9:47 pm

Dead red FB hitter and Molina calls a first pitch FB.

79 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 9:48 pm

That one didn't even go out via the right field wind tunnel.

80 Diane Firstman   ~  May 4, 2009 9:49 pm

Who here is watching the ESPN broadcast of this?

81 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:49 pm

[78] It was a get me over 91 mph fastball too...not smart at all.

82 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 9:49 pm

[76] He did.

83 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 9:50 pm

[80] Got the YES feed on tv here.

[77] Just the better team, I fear..much more depth and a better lineup so far..oh A-Rod, please come back soon.

84 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:50 pm

So, when is Wang coming back?

85 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 9:50 pm

Melky gets a much better jump than Gardner.

86 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 9:50 pm

Nick Green to the warning track..not a good sign..

87 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 9:50 pm

Boy, Hughes does look very good against bad hitters, that's for sure. If only all batters were Jason Varitek.

88 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 9:51 pm

Holy crap. Nick Green almost homered. Reminds me of Green's first at-bat as a Yankee. I think he homered to the deepest part of the park.

The old park, of course.

89 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:51 pm

[83] I don't think they are a better team though. They don't have more depth and they don't have a better lineup. Their advantage is in the pen, but that hasn't really come into play that much.

90 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 9:52 pm

[80] I am. I was watching other games on ESPN, and just didn't bother to change the channel.

91 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:52 pm

Why would you not throw a 3-2 pitch to Ellsbury right down the middle?

92 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 9:53 pm

When did YES turn into FOX with the "unbearable closeups" and not showing the catcher's signs? I really need to see Varitek's and Green's mug in HD?

Et tu Yes?

*sigh*

93 Diane Firstman   ~  May 4, 2009 9:53 pm

I'm avoiding Michael Kay when I can .... so its ESPN for me tonight.

94 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:54 pm

I no longer have the Jays/Indians game on my computer...I have the NWS radar and I'm rooting on a storm front that is just over Baltimore.

95 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 9:55 pm

The decision to not skip Hughes is looking really bad about now.

96 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 9:56 pm

Maybe we can all stand on the roof at YS and "piss on them" so they'll think it's rain and call the game!

The umpires can't see that well anyway...

97 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 9:57 pm

I predict that the Yankees will have a lead after six innings. I'd love to have a rain-shortened game, so we don't have to watch Bullpen Roulette.

98 Diane Firstman   ~  May 4, 2009 10:00 pm
99 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:01 pm

Nick is a grinder.

100 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 10:01 pm

[95] William,

Are they skipping somebody, or giving everyone the extra day?

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101 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:02 pm

[98] Looks like a lagging radar. That front has already passed. It's the one over Baltimore that we need to root on. I don't it will make it before the 5th inning. Where's Mike Hargrove when you need him?

103 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:02 pm

Talk about luck, Green sucks.

104 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:03 pm

[100] Everyone is getting an extra day. I was hoping to have AJ Burnett pitch in this series.

105 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:03 pm

is it the yankees who play the sox looking over their shoulders or is it the fans? the pessimism here is unbearable, especially in these sox games.
nice throw by pedroia there.

106 ms october   ~  May 4, 2009 10:03 pm

damn rain slowed that ball down - and where's julio lugo when you need him?

107 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 10:03 pm

[101] Hargrove, nice one!

Great play or just soggy infield slowing the ball down?

there we go, man on 3rd, one out..i call a...foul pop-up to first base, no one advances??

108 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:04 pm

Charge the mound!!!!!!!!!!!

109 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:05 pm

[105] It's not exactly pessimism. Some fans just kind of enjoy moping.

110 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:05 pm

[105] It wasn't the fans who coughed up three leads last weekend in Fenway.

111 ms october   ~  May 4, 2009 10:06 pm

it takes every fiber in his body - but melky is laying off that pitch much better this year

112 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:06 pm

[109] Moping...or accurately making a prediction as in [107]?

113 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 10:06 pm

Melky. Ugh.

114 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:08 pm

[112] Wait, do we call it "accurate" when what he predicted did not happen? I need a new dictionary.

115 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 10:09 pm

That was a great pitch to strike Melky out, ya gotta admit.

116 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:09 pm

Wasting good opportunities is becoming a Yankees staple against Boston.

117 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 10:09 pm

Molina looked lost

118 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:09 pm

The lineup is ridiculously short, which is why I'm surprised they decided to play the game.

119 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 10:09 pm

Wow..Lester is really, really good.

120 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:10 pm

[114] The tenor of the prediction was accurate...the Yankees would futily squander another scoring opportunity.

121 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:11 pm

[115] It was a good pitch, but I'm not sure how you take a 2-strike fastball in the strike zone.

122 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:11 pm

[120] Oh, I get it.
You take the part of the prediction that's true, and ignore the part that's false.

[119] Against Molina, he really is!

123 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:12 pm

[119] He wasn't before these last two innings...of course it helps when the opposition takes three called strikes.

124 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 10:12 pm

Looking at weather.com again, this game is gonna go in the books. Yanks need to get to work.

Really, really doesn't help that Hughes gave up two early. It would have been nice not to have to play from behind. Although I think the Yanks scored first in all three Fenway games.

125 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:12 pm

[122] I think my point is very obvious, but it's really not worthy of a debate.

126 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:13 pm

yes william, the yankees were swept last weekend. that probably means they'll never beat the sox again.

127 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:13 pm

[124] No chance the rain saves them. The Yankees are going to need to hit and the bullpen will need about 4 good innings.

128 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:14 pm

[126] Is that what means?

129 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 10:14 pm

Well, at least Hughes is getting his work in. Love them 100 pitch 5 inning starts. grrrr.....

130 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:14 pm

[125] It is very obvious, indeed. It's just that it happens to be untrue.

Watch this prediction:
JD Drew grounds out to second base.

131 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:15 pm

Good thing they called up Aceves...he is going to pictch alot tonight.

132 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:16 pm

The squeeze is on the low pitches. The high pitch calls are accurate.

133 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:16 pm

[130] If he grounded out to first instead, I'd say you did a good job predicting the outcome. You can stick with your literal interpretation, and I'll stick with the practical.

134 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:16 pm

Sweet.

135 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:17 pm

[125] no one wants to debate the accuracy of pessimistic predictions, but i think you in particular should understand that not everyone wants to have to read all doom and gloom after every little disappointment. while it's true that some of it is warranted, some of it is obviously over the top. see [60], [69], [77], [94], [95]...

136 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 10:17 pm

Grandpa to Cano to Tex. That would make a good poem. : )

137 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:18 pm

what the fuck those were both strikes

138 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:19 pm

[133] Uh, I hate to break it to you, but not one single prediction here on Bronx Banter is "practical". They have no practical value whatsoever.

There, see! I knew he'd hit the ball near second base.

139 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:20 pm

[138] I meant to say: well, JD Drew, Kevin Youkalis, no big difference. It amounts to the same thing, practically speaking.

140 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:20 pm

His command isn't great and the ump isn't helping him on close pitches.

141 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:20 pm

[135] Losing a game isn't doom and gloom. If I was a betting man, I would put my money on the Yankees to lose this game because all the tea leaves are pointing in that direction. You can't always be optimistic when the signs are pointing the other way.

142 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:21 pm

Yeah, the first pitch to Bay (lowish) was definitely a strike. The second was high, I think.

143 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:21 pm

[138] I have no clue what your point is there, so I'll just let you have the last word. I can't explain my point any better.

144 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:22 pm

If you were a betting man you would rely on tea leaves! I guess that's the difference between us.

I would bet against the Yankees because they are behind by two runs. I would ignore the tea leaves. (But I don't bet either.)

145 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:22 pm

If the ump didn't call that a strike I was going to drive to the stadium with felonious intent.

146 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:22 pm

The first two pitches to Lowell were definitely strikes.

147 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 10:22 pm

[104] Thanks!

148 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 10:22 pm

[129] At this rate, we'll be lucky to get three innings.

149 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:23 pm

[144] Another literal interpretation? I hope Obama nominates you for the Supreme Court.

150 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:23 pm

Luck sucks.

151 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:24 pm

[149] I think you unwittingly revealed more about your predictive tendencies than you intended to reveal.

152 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:25 pm

[141] there's more than just pessimism or optimism

153 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:25 pm

[148] Regardless of the Varitek AB, I would lift Hughes after this inning. No need to expose Hughes to an embarassing outing.

154 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:25 pm

[152] Like reality. Score some freakin' runs.

155 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:26 pm

[153] Who would you put in? Lifting Hughes means surrendering the game. I'm not ready to do that, myself.

156 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 10:26 pm

That rinky-dink single to Lowell really hurts..almost got out of the inning there.
Hope he can get a 7 pitch 4th then at least give us 5 innings..

157 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 10:26 pm

78 pitches in three innings. Hope the pen is nice and rested.

158 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:27 pm

Hughes will probably go one more, and then Aceves.

Then hope the luck turns and they get a big hit.

159 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:27 pm

[152] There is, but in this game, I get the strong feeling that the Yankees chances of winning are slim. Does that mean they wont? Of course not...otherwise I wouldn't be watching. After all, I though Saturday was a slam dunk, no doubt about it win, and look how that turned out.

160 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:28 pm

william, while i agree with you much of the time, the problem i have is that you are constantly saying negative things, many of which are completely obvious and don't need to be said. maybe it makes you feel better when the yankees are losing to say something like "the tea leaves don't look good," but i would say it makes some of us feel worse.

161 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:29 pm

[151] I feel like Piazza to your Clemens...everything you are saying is going right over my head.

162 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 10:29 pm

[160] I just watched some of Pete Seeger's 90th birthday celebration concert, so am feeling lots of love & peace. You guys play nice an let's all sing "Go Team!"

163 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:29 pm

[156] Oh, jeez. I was thinking that *was* the fourth inning! It's just hit me that we will need five, or in the best case four innings from the bullpen, even assuming we can start hitting Lester. Sinking feeling.

164 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:30 pm

[155] Aceves. Hughes probably has an inning at most and he isn't pitching that well as it is.

165 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:30 pm

[161] That happens to me a lot.
But I swear, I never use intellect-enhancing substances.

166 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:30 pm

Berroa blows, but we knew that, right Joe?

167 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:31 pm

Helluva basketball game on, by the way.

168 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:32 pm

[164] Check out his last two outings

169 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:32 pm

[164] How many can Aceves go, though? Two? An extra inning of Hughes makes a significant difference.

170 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 4, 2009 10:32 pm

Do you guys think this start is mental for Hughes? He just needs to decide not to nibble?

Or do you think he is missing?

171 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 10:32 pm

Tex..now batting .179..i would say this qualifies as a very slow start. Let's see some tater power Tex! 3-2 then we rattle Lester!

172 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:32 pm

Lester is getting a lot of compliments for getting out hitters that haven't been hitting.

173 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:33 pm

[160] I am constantly saying negative things tonight because that's kind of how I see that game going. I honestly didn't think doing so would make people feel badly...I figured the Yankees play took care of that just fine. I'll keep that in mind though.

174 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:33 pm

[170] The strike zone is small today, that's part of it.

175 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:34 pm

[170] Despite the command issues, no PB, no first pitch FB to a dead red hitter, and no bloop single, and he hasn't given up a run.

176 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:35 pm

[173] of course that's true, it's just hard to take both sometimes

177 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:35 pm

Hoops is over. Dramatic. Celtics were down 18 at the half, mounted a huge comeback, fell short.

178 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 10:35 pm

22 pitches to tthe magic #. Go 5 young man. Get all Maddux on us for 2 innings. Is Tex a poor hittter in May, too? Oy!

179 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:35 pm

[164] That depends on pitch count. Of course, the whole bullpen could probably use an inning to work things out anyway, so even if Aceves only gives you 2-3, it wouldn't be a disaster.

180 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 10:35 pm

Well, at least tex swingswangswung the bat..I hate called 3rd strikes..

181 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:36 pm

[170] I think it's a little of both. The way he tentatively pitched to Pedroia was a bad sign for me.

182 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:37 pm

Another thing. Lester is facing a far weaker lineup.

183 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:37 pm

You know, an interesting solution would be: Joba. For the rest of the game, I mean. Seriously, why not?

184 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:37 pm

[176] It's hard for me to take too! I'd much rather be talking about good Hughes looks (like last game), or how Tex is starting to come around, but that's not what they're giving us tonight.

185 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:38 pm

Molina is just killing us tonight.

186 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:38 pm

[182] Not really -- the Sox were silenced by Tampa's pitching. Yes, Youkalis is arguably the best hitter in baseball right now, and Lowell's had great power, but the Sox haven't been scoring a lot of runs.

187 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 10:38 pm

Aw cmon Molina!!! You ain't playing for your goddamn bat, you have to catch that one!

188 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:39 pm

Molina: "I only cost you one pitch, foo', now shut up."

189 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:39 pm

[183] Because you'd be wasting him...I'd rather just skip him and use him in two 8th innings before his next start.

190 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:40 pm

When the Yankees defense has a bad game...boy do they have a bad game.

191 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:40 pm

[186] Molina, Berroa, a slumping (and probably injured) Damon, and Tex (whatever), I don't think it's close.

192 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 10:40 pm

[188] I'll buy that for a dollar..not make sure to throw out Ellsbury at 3rd!

193 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 10:40 pm

Jeez. Damon's going to kill himself.

194 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:41 pm

melky's arm is insanely good

195 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:41 pm

You know you it's not your night when...

196 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 10:42 pm

That looked almost exactly like the last hit Big Poopy had.

197 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:42 pm

Singleton is calling Molina an idiot.

198 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:42 pm

[191] Well, the Yankees have scored one more run in one game fewer than the Sox, so the line-ups really are pretty comparable.

199 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 10:43 pm

This is the bad, nibbling Hughes. How many full counts have we seen?

200 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 10:43 pm

I am glad SO GLAD Ortiz is coming around. It's such a shame for baseball when he isn't being clutch. Shite and Bollocks.

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201 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 10:44 pm

Silent, rainy stadium, Berroa & Molina in the lineup, Lester looking good...am searching for positives here. oh, Michael Kay just said "this game is far from over" so we got that going for us!

202 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:44 pm

[200] He isn't As Singleton said, they have basically told me to only look inside.

203 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:44 pm

I really think Hughes should have been patted on the back after that third inning. Not only is the game further out of reach, but this now feels like more of a bad start than before he entered the inning. I hope Hughes doesn't feel that way too.

204 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:45 pm

you guys should try muting the tv and watching youkilis get ready to hit, the dance is so funny without sound

205 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 4, 2009 10:46 pm

[178] Isn't it clear to everyone that Tex needs some time on the DL?

206 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:46 pm

[204] It's like scratching a blackboard with your fingernails with or without sound.

207 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 10:47 pm

[204] Shake shake shake..shake yo booty..

208 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:47 pm

Sox first base coach just called Girardi a "fucking prick".

209 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:47 pm

oh please give us a coaches' brawl

210 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:47 pm

Someone should fight that jerk.

211 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 10:47 pm

FIGHT!!!!! He's droppin' Fuckin' Prick bombs on Girardi.

212 RagingTartabull   ~  May 4, 2009 10:47 pm

Tim Bogar has quite the potty mouth

213 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:48 pm

nice changeup

214 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 10:48 pm

I didn't hear that!! Was that on ESPN feed?

215 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:48 pm

Attaboy, Phil.
He needed that.

216 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 10:48 pm

What are they fighting about?

217 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:48 pm

[214] YES.

[216] Seems Girardi thinks Bogar was tipping pitches.

218 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:49 pm

Maybe that little exchange will fire the Yankees up...something has to.

219 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 10:50 pm

[218] Angel Berroa could get on then steal his way aorund the diamond? That would fire 'em up!

220 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:51 pm

[219] The sad thing is getting on bases is probably the hardest part of that equation.

221 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:51 pm

ooh now singleton calling kay an idiot, deservedly

222 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:52 pm

Hughes hasn't gotten that call.

223 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:52 pm

That storm front over Baltimore is slower than Jose Molina!

224 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 10:53 pm

Apropos of nothing, I remembered a recent year when the Yanks shit the bed to start the year vs the Sox. 1-6 in 2004. That.....was not a good year.

225 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:54 pm

[223] it would take molina about 3 months to run from baltimore to the bronx

226 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:54 pm

[224 Next time this team gets to the playoffs, they're winning the WS.

227 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:55 pm

Wow, great curve ball.

228 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  May 4, 2009 10:55 pm

Cano takes strike 3 and Kay plugs the Mohican Sports Bar..ok, I'm out of here. Go Team!!

229 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:55 pm

[226] Esp. if they get up 3-0 in the ALCS...

230 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:55 pm

Now Cone, by implication, is calling Molina an idiot.

231 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 10:56 pm

Tonight has nothing to do with Lester. It is the pure genius of having such an amazing reciever as Varitek behind the dish.

232 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:57 pm

[231] Way to stretch a point into oblivion.

233 Cliff Corcoran   ~  May 4, 2009 10:57 pm

Speaking of the sports bar, why didn't they build a stadium-seating sort of riser/steps into the front of it? If you're not up against the window, you can't see the field.

234 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:58 pm

ooh that was a strike

235 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 10:58 pm

Shut up, Kay.

236 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 10:58 pm

I wonder if Zack Greinke is already clearing out space on his mantle for the Cy Young award?

237 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 10:59 pm

[233] i think they must have been drunk when they designed that thing

238 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 10:59 pm

[234] Not today. That pitch has been a ball all day. Everything at the knees is a ball.

239 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:00 pm

The first pitch to Melky, too. That was especially egregious.

240 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:00 pm

[238] no, this is lester pitching

241 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:00 pm

Hughes didn't get those last two calls.

242 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:00 pm

I wonder is NASA would be interested in doing some research on the bottom of today's Yankee lineup?

243 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:01 pm

Melky is being careful to avoid injury. All sorts of bad things can happen if you swing the bat.
Oh, there's one -- careful, Melk!

244 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:01 pm

[242] Or Jules Verne.

245 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 4, 2009 11:02 pm

[242] NASA? You need an oceanographer -- nay! a geologist to find things that sink so low.

By the way, how mad is everyone that Nick Green has turned into the best shortstop in the American League?

246 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:02 pm

No, seriously, the low pitches have been called balls for both pitchers. The high ones, strikes. I'm pretty sure it's consistent.

247 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 4, 2009 11:02 pm

[244] You beat me.

248 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:03 pm

[245] I was thinking along the lines of a black hole, but I am open to suggestions. The task seems too difficult for SABR.

249 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 11:03 pm

[233] I thought they did. The picture I saw reminded me of my college lecture hall. Only there's a baseball game down front, instead of some old guy trying to explain Fourier transforms.

250 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:03 pm

Molina and Berroa are complete washouts, but Melky is hitting well. So, careful with that 'bottom of the order' stuff.

251 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:05 pm

[250] I was referring to Molina and Berroa...no one is a bigger Melky fan here than I am.

252 Diane Firstman   ~  May 4, 2009 11:05 pm

Greinke: 6-0, 0.40 ERA, 45 IP, 30 H, 8 BB, 54 K

(shudder)

253 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:06 pm

Wow, good stuff. That cutter "inside" could have been strike three, too.

254 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:06 pm

It must be comforting for the Red Sox, when they're slumping, to see the Yankees upcoming on their schedule. There, at least, will be an oasis where their pitchers throw shutouts and Big Papi time travels to 2005.

255 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:07 pm

[254] Especially Lester.

256 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:08 pm

Ah the Phil Hughes we know and love. Thought he turned the corner? Then I guess he turned another one, cause he's back to a million pitches, multiple runs and out after 4 innings ... Sheee-it.

257 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:08 pm

Uh.
The strike zone has expanded.

258 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:09 pm

i highly recommend the dark chocolate chipotle hazelnuts at trader joe's. just don't eat too many.

259 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:09 pm

[256] Sorry, one bad start means nothing to me, especially when with a little luck he gives up one run.

260 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:09 pm

[258] I'm allergic to hazelnuts.

261 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:10 pm

Christ, Aceves is looking good.

262 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:10 pm

I was glad to watch this game to prevent me from playing MLB The Show, which has been driving me nuts lately. What was I thinking? This is ten times worse. Plus I gotta go to sleep.

I'm very disappointed in Hughes.

263 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:10 pm

[258] It would only mean more crunches and more jumping rope.

264 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:11 pm

[259] No need to apologize. I want my pitchers to be "lucky" too.

265 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:12 pm

[264] The kid is good and will show it over time.

I'l be more careful with my chose of words.

266 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 11:13 pm

ESPN showed the tunnel where they dug out the Ortiz jersey. It's still open. They haven't filled in the hole yet.

267 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:13 pm

*choice*

268 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:13 pm

[260] just hazelnuts or all nuts?
[263] no, it will mean feeling like you can't move for a little bit too.

269 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:14 pm

Molina owns Lester!

270 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:14 pm

Not a MLer, Joe!

271 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:14 pm

I hate to pick on him, but why, oh why, is Berroa playing?

272 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:15 pm

berroa almost got the dp by slowing down at the end there

273 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:15 pm

[268] Just hazelnuts. Weird, huh? In a bowl of mixed nuts I have to keep watching what I'm grabbing, instead of scooping fistfuls and shoving them in my mouth, as God intended.

274 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 4, 2009 11:15 pm

[269] Outs own Berroa

275 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:15 pm

[265] I think he'll be good too. It's just that after last week's game, which really was a great moment, I'd hoped for better. From him and the Yanks, but especially Hughes.

276 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:16 pm

Did Kay just say Berroa has speed? Really? Maybe in 2003, but certainly not now.

277 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:17 pm

Oh, come on. Now the strike zone really has expanded.

278 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:17 pm

[273] weird, but at least you can enjoy the other ones. hazelnuts go great with chocolate, but by themselves i don't think they're close to as good as almonds, pecans or cashews.

279 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:17 pm

[276] No, he said Berroa should *take* speed.

280 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:17 pm

total shit

281 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 11:18 pm

Kick some dirt, Joe. This game blows.

282 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:18 pm

I'll say this about Lester, he had command issues his entire mL career, but somehow straightened them out last year, which speaks well of their pitching coach.

This umpire is 50% responsible for this loss.

283 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:18 pm

Berroa playing is another instance of Girardi over-thinking things. Just let Pena play for god's sake.

***

This is the only thing I really like about Girardi, when he flips out. He should have gone on longer.

284 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 4, 2009 11:19 pm

Wow that overhead replay is brutal.

285 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:19 pm

That's not a strike.

Girardi has to be frustrated with how poorly his team has played against the Red Sox. Even if the Yankees were ahead in the standings, there's something disconcerting about getting beat up by your rival.

286 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:19 pm

Ha! It worked.

287 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:19 pm

Johnny gives me the finger and I love it.

288 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:19 pm

Girardi must lead the league in ejection induced rallies.

289 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 11:19 pm

Now it blows less : )

290 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:19 pm

[278] I have no trouble at all with processed hazelnuts. Gianduia ice cream (sp?), for instance, so, yeah, with chocolate.

291 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:20 pm

Sweet!

292 RagingTartabull   ~  May 4, 2009 11:20 pm

well so much for switching to Letterman in 10 minutes

293 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:20 pm

Whoa. Teixeira did something???

294 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:20 pm

Boy, that was nice, but also annoying -- Jeter drew five balls, after all. Deprived of a run there, at least.

295 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:20 pm

Here's the beauty of circumstance...if the umpire doesn't call Jeter out on a ball inside, then the Yankees don't get back-to-back jacks.

296 Diane Firstman   ~  May 4, 2009 11:20 pm

How much do those seats cost that Tex just hit that HR into?

297 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:21 pm

Really liked seeing Tex do that RH.

298 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:21 pm

Whoa. [294] was sent *just* before Tex's blast.
I feel much better. But, I was thinking of heading off to bed, and now I can't.

299 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:21 pm

if we lose this game but teixeira gets going, that's ok by me

300 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:22 pm

what the fuck how is that a strike???

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301 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:22 pm

[296] More now.

302 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:22 pm

[295] [294] Hmmmm.
Okay, I'll buy that.

303 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:22 pm

[296] $90...I sat there for the Cubs game...it's a pretty good view.

304 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:22 pm

[294] [295] Now there are two different ways of looking at things! I'm going with [295] for now.

305 RagingTartabull   ~  May 4, 2009 11:22 pm

dang, even Long is getting into the act. This coaching staff is gonna lead the league in righteous indignation.

306 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 11:23 pm

A lot of believers here of Kay's "fallacy of the pre-determined outcome." : )

307 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 11:23 pm

Tea leaves looking better all of a sudden...

308 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:23 pm

This ump is on the Sox payroll, no doubt about it.

309 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:23 pm

Come on, pen.

310 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:24 pm

Lester has pitched well, but the Yankees have taken way too many hittable fastballs. I think this is more a case of the Yankees hitters over thinking than Lester being dominant.

311 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:24 pm

I dunno, I thought Swish just got fooled. Not the ump's fault.
Has Lester emptied the tank? Not by his pitch count, but that was a pretty bad inning for him.

312 cult of basebaal   ~  May 4, 2009 11:25 pm

[59] not anymore ...

313 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:25 pm

[307] Sadly, not that much better when you factor in what's need from the bullpen, but for now I am going to hold out hope that Aceves has a few good innings in his arm.

314 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:25 pm

[307] ;-}

315 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:25 pm

Wow, Imus is back. That was pretty easy.

He looks like such a douche in his little cowboy outfit.

316 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:26 pm

[312] Leader in the clubhouse for Longest Backreference prize...

317 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:26 pm

[315] He's been back for well over a year...I think almost 2.

318 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:27 pm

i went to the stadium for friday's game and was really impressed. i'm not sure i would like it as much during the day because it is very gray inside (particularly in the bleachers, which i think should be painted blue), but it's so much nicer in person than on tv. which i think is the opposite of the old stadium, which was 10 times nicer on tv. we sat almost at the very top down the 3b line, and the facade really frames the view beautifully. and the bathrooms are so clean it's hard to believe you're in yankee stadium. everything is nicer. i think they'll have to close off some of the open concourses because you can really feel the wind blowing through, particularly in the upper deck, but i don't think that will be too tough.

319 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:27 pm

Damn it Jeter! That's such an easy throw to make.

320 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:27 pm

This hasn't been a good day for Jeter.

321 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:28 pm

The Yankees have really be done in by errors like that one...hopefully Aceves hasn't gotten the memo.

322 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:30 pm

Swisher has fun playing, and that's very comforting as a fan. I am not sure why though.

323 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:31 pm

[317] I knew he was back, but that's the first commercial I've seen.

324 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:33 pm

For all the talk about Teixeira struggling and the pitching having the league's worst ERA, this team's biggest problem has been absolutely awful defense. Just about every loss has involved a key error or two (or three) that has led to game being broken open.

The Yankees have to lock down the defense because it continues to haunt them.

325 RagingTartabull   ~  May 4, 2009 11:33 pm

uh wow

326 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 11:33 pm

Grandpa!!

327 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:33 pm

michael kay is going nuts over a pretty routine play

328 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:34 pm

Gotta give him love when he comes through...way to play that one Angel.

329 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:34 pm

Excellent. I was just about to say, "It's okay, Alfredo, you can go ahead and attack Ortiz."

330 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:34 pm

Calculated risk by Berroa. Glad it worked out, as I'm sure he is too.

331 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:34 pm

So, we'll need a nickname for Aceves. Start thinking.

332 Cliff Corcoran   ~  May 4, 2009 11:34 pm

That play will likely wind up being the lone highlight in Berroa's Yankee career.

333 Cliff Corcoran   ~  May 4, 2009 11:35 pm

[331] Other than "Ace"?

334 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 11:35 pm

[296] Diane,

Sections 135 and 136 (LF Outfield seats in front of bleachers next to visiting bullpen) front rows are $125 Advanced, $150 Gameday. Behind them are $90/$95.

Same with Sections 103 and 104 on RF side (seats in front of bleachers).

Source Fan Guide so it's pre adjustment prices...

: )

335 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:35 pm

[329] With the shift used last year, that would have been a hit.

336 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:35 pm

This is gonna have to be my last 1/2 inning. I hope something good happens!

337 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:35 pm

[333] It just doesn't feel right.

338 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:36 pm

[335] Jeez, that's true.
Although, with runners on first and second they never overshifted.

339 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:36 pm

What???
Did Youk get hurt?

340 RagingTartabull   ~  May 4, 2009 11:37 pm

It would be a shame if Youkilis were horribly injured

(note: it would not be a shame)

341 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 4, 2009 11:38 pm

[340] You never root for injury. You just hope that they get traded to the Seattle Supersonics.

342 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:38 pm

Now Lester is great? Whoa. Kay sucks.

343 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:38 pm

[340] Not seriously injured...just a minor injury that forces him to make an out in every high leverage situation.

344 RagingTartabull   ~  May 4, 2009 11:39 pm

not to be hard hearted or anything, but what exactly is the shelf life on the Lester cancer anecdote?

345 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:39 pm

[344] Just fire Kay.

346 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:39 pm

Nice AB, Jorge

347 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:40 pm

Needed that.

348 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:40 pm

Now we need an eleven pitch walk for Melky. Or a double.

349 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:40 pm

Jorge really wanted to K in that AB, but somehow still made enough good contact to get a hit. That's when you know you're hot.

350 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:40 pm

Way to work the count, Melk.

351 Diane Firstman   ~  May 4, 2009 11:40 pm

Thank you for the info on those outfield seats guys. I just got these.
Tampa Bay Rays at New York Yankees
Date: 06-08-2009 07:05 PM EST
Quantity: 2
Section: Field Outfield 136
Row: 14
Price Per Ticket: $55.00

352 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:41 pm

Ok Jose...it's time to do your thing against Lester.

353 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:41 pm

That's acceptable, too.

354 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:41 pm

[344] at first glance i read that as "antidote" and i thought it was hard hearted indeed.

355 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 11:41 pm

Youk aggravated his back with Princess Fiona last night. Shit. Just missed it.

356 The Hawk   ~  May 4, 2009 11:41 pm

Ugh, terrible call by Kay on that fly out

357 Cliff Corcoran   ~  May 4, 2009 11:41 pm

gotta get Jorge out of this game, his hammy's hurtin'

358 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:42 pm

Very bad sign from Jorge...he kept feeling for his hamstring.

359 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:42 pm

[353] The sarcasm didn't come out right there.

360 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:43 pm

Jeez, Lester was at 98 pitches with one out and a runner on first, and Melk and Molina go down on one pitch apiece. Now Lester starts the seventh, for sure.

361 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:43 pm

[360] Scary stupid by those two.

362 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 11:44 pm

[351] I think you may be very near where Tex hit that bomb!

: )

363 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 4, 2009 11:44 pm

[360] No! Those were productive outs. Melky moved Posada to second and Molina moved Posada back to the dugout!

364 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:46 pm

That should put Drew out of commission for a few weeks.

365 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 11:46 pm

Ah, if you're going to plunk a guy, get more than shirt. : /

366 RagingTartabull   ~  May 4, 2009 11:47 pm

bed time

367 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:47 pm

You suck.

368 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 11:47 pm

Un-fuckin-believable.

369 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:47 pm

[351] Great deal...I've seen $350 seats selling for as low as $100. With all the talk about how the Yankees were pricing out regular fans, it seems like they have as good as opportunity as ever to score good seats.

370 Diane Firstman   ~  May 4, 2009 11:47 pm

sigh ...

ok ... g'night folks.

371 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:48 pm

Oh well...so much for that. Just knew that HBP would be costly.

372 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:48 pm

Yeah, might have left Ace in a little too long.

373 randym77   ~  May 4, 2009 11:48 pm

We need a third catcher.

374 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:48 pm

Molina needs to go.

375 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:49 pm

I have to get up at 5:30AM...I wish I could turn this sloppiness off.

376 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:49 pm

Shut up. Kay.

377 Diane Firstman   ~  May 4, 2009 11:49 pm

[369]

Well, then you add on the StubHub 10% fee, and $4.95 for eDelivery (gimme a break) ...

But still, those are $75 seats normally.

NOW I'm going to sleep.

378 RIYank   ~  May 4, 2009 11:50 pm

[374] Molina: "One extra pitch, so shaddup."

379 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 11:50 pm

Who's the emergency catcher? Is that in Swisher's resume, too?

380 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:50 pm

[377] do they seriously charge $5 for emailing it???

381 PJ   ~  May 4, 2009 11:50 pm

[351] I'd have waited, Diane! In another couple of weeks those will go for $35... a pair!

: )

382 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 4, 2009 11:50 pm

I'm still mad at Pittsburgh for giving Boston Jason Bay.... That's 90 cents on the dollar and they didn't even get Manny in return.

383 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:51 pm

[379] Berroa. I mean why not?

384 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:51 pm

[380] I think it's per order, not per ticket, but still.

385 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:51 pm

[379] posada catches and swisher comes in to pitch so you don't really lose the dh.

386 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:51 pm

[382] I have always wanted to know if Cash inquired about him instead of the Marte/Nady mishap.

387 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:52 pm

I don't know why, but when the Yankees have a bad top of the 7th, GBA really pisses me off.

388 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 4, 2009 11:53 pm

[386] I'm convinced Marte was one of those THINGS you do to yourself. Like Randy Johnson. Or eating ice cream for dinner.

You've spent so long thinking about it that you just have to do it even though you know you'll take no pleasure from it.

389 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:53 pm

[387] I think it's played, but that's just me.

390 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:54 pm

[386] I've wondered that too, but the Pirates did get a pretty good prospect in LaRoche from LA. I wonder if the Yankees could have enticed them with IPK in addition to the package they sent.

391 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:54 pm

[388] Someone I know calls him Cashman's white whale.

392 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:54 pm

[387] honestly i don't really give a shit if they want to play that song every game. what does piss me off is that yes has to stay on for it, so that it can't be just part of the normal 7th inning stretch commercial break, but is an additional 2 minute break.

393 Just Fair   ~  May 4, 2009 11:55 pm

[385] I asked b/c Posada appeared to have a hitch in his giddyup. I don't think he'll be catching? He probably could.....but I'm just conjecturin'. If Molina got knocked out for whatever reason.

394 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:56 pm

Why not hit for Berroa?

395 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 4, 2009 11:56 pm

[386] Tabata + Ohlendorf > Andy LaRoche + Craig Hansen + Brandon Moss + Bryan whatever

396 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:56 pm

[394] The handedness obsession.

397 BrianLevy2020   ~  May 4, 2009 11:56 pm

Oops, I meant 390.

398 51cq24   ~  May 4, 2009 11:56 pm

[394] why not have a bench?

399 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:57 pm

[395] I disagree...LaRoche is (or at least was) a much better return than Tabata and Ohlendorf.

400 Rich   ~  May 4, 2009 11:58 pm

We'd have added to the package, but at least Bay is good, unlike Marte/Nady.

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401 williamnyy23   ~  May 4, 2009 11:58 pm

[396] Pena is a switch hitter.

402 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:00 am

[401] My bad.

There are people here who think you should never criticize Girardi, but I think it's unavoidable.

403 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:00 am

This is such a frustrating team. Just when you think they are ready to get on a roll, they lose to a journeyman/Sabathia matchup and then drop another to Boston. Just like this year, this team takes 2 steps forward and 1 step back. Frustrating.

404 Just Fair   ~  May 5, 2009 12:01 am

Bah, Cue the radio for bedtime. Too many "New Yankee Stadium Firsts" are turning into real bummers.

405 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 12:02 am

[402] i think it's somewhat avoidable when he isn't managing

406 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:02 am

Again I ask, why is Berroa playing??

407 PJ   ~  May 5, 2009 12:03 am

I think the real reason Joe got tossed was that the pie he ordered from the "Food Room" just got cool enough to not melt the ice cream "too soon"...

: )

408 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 12:04 am

[403] wouldn't that be a 108-54 record?

409 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:05 am

[408] Literally, yes, but that was kind of a figure of speech.

410 PJ   ~  May 5, 2009 12:05 am

[408] I think he meant one step forward, two steps back...

411 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:07 am

[405] Really? I thought assessing a manager's performance between games, if necessary, was what blogs are for.

412 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:07 am

Great game for Molina. The Yankees defense is a major problem that has the potential to derail them this season.

413 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:07 am

Cool.

414 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 12:08 am

[409] yes, i was joking
[411] i meant that he isn't managing now because he was thrown out. but he did start berroa so he certainly isn't blameless.

415 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:08 am

[414] Oh....................

416 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 12:09 am

michael kay is so pissed to be there past his bedtime. what a tough job!!

417 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:10 am

Especially since Kay sucks at it.

418 PJ   ~  May 5, 2009 12:11 am

These unbearable close-ups are quite... you know...

Can we please dispense with them, Mr. Director in the truck?

Moron...

: /

419 PJ   ~  May 5, 2009 12:13 am

Is Aceves related to Colon? Or did Colon accidentally get run through the dryer?

420 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:14 am

Aceves was great today. One mistake to Bay looks like it will be the death knell. I would have liked to have seen him enter the game an inning earlier. I would also have liked to have not seen Berroa. Not sure if it would have mattered...beating the Red Sox seems like a monumental task right now.

421 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:16 am

They better find a way to pitch to Bay even if it means regularly making him eat dirt.

TEX!

422 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:16 am

Welcome to May, Teixeira.

423 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 12:17 am

again, this could be more important than one win or loss

424 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:17 am

It will be interesting to see if Bay gives Boston the discount on a contract that they expect from all their players.

425 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:18 am

[423] If the Yankees lose, they'll be 2 games in the loss column from first. So, yes, you can lose the battle and win the war at this stage. I jus tthink they need to get a win against Boston sooner than later.

426 PJ   ~  May 5, 2009 12:18 am

[420] He is a good hurler. I was referring to his appearance. I mean we certainly got a good look at him from every camera angle possible!

: )

427 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:18 am

We gave up Ramirez for Chacon, but we needed him at the time.

428 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:18 am

Teixeira is the 3rd Yankee switch hitter to homer from both sides of the plate this season.

429 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:19 am

[428] And that 10th all-time.

430 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:19 am

Oh great, Po is hurting.

431 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 12:19 am

uh oh

432 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:19 am

I will not, however, give the Yankees a pass for trading Navarro.

433 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:19 am

[423] Crap... a Posada injury would be more impactful than a win! Damn it.

434 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:20 am

[432] Navarr of the career OPS+ of 81?

435 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:22 am

This game is kind of setting up as a reverse of the Fenway opener. The only problem is the Yankees have Molina and Berroa lurking (which is really, really depressing).

Losing Posada's AB is a huge blow to this game; losing him to an injury would be a major blow to the season.

Just when you want to take something positive from this game, the negatives overwhelm you.

436 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:22 am

[434] That's him. I do not trade the only credible back up catcher in the system with the primary catcher entering his mid-30s.

437 PJ   ~  May 5, 2009 12:22 am

[432] Worst move during Cashman's tenure as GM, IMHO... without peer.

Makes the Pavano signing look like the Varitek trade...

438 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:23 am

[437] Cash was out of the loop. George wanted RJ. Cash wanted to use the money to sign Beltran.

439 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:24 am

[436] Even though Navarro has not been very good and Posada had been highly productive with the exception of last season? I wouldn't lose any sleep over Navarro. He's exactly the player you trade when the chance to get a Randy Johnson comes up.

440 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:24 am

HIt a HR, you get your contract extended!!!!!!!!!!!

441 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:24 am

[437] Is this the same Dioner Navarro in TB?

442 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:25 am

[439] I was adamantly opposed to trading for a pitcher in his 40s with pre-existing knee and back problems.

443 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:25 am

[437] *nods*

444 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:26 am

Oops [441]

445 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:26 am

[442] Who was coming off an ERA+ of 177...don't forget that.

446 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:26 am

Must be tough to hit Papelbon off the bench. I wish Posada could have had a crack at those fast balls.

447 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:28 am

Melky needs to know the lineup here...you can't take a 2-0 fastball down the middle.

448 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:29 am

[445] If it was a one year deal, and there wasn't a choice of allocating the money to him or Beltran, maybe, but I wanted to keep Navarro.

The important point is that again aging pitchers with multiple pre-existing injuries tend to break down.

Remember they could have had Cano and Wang, so the deal could have been epically bad. Randy Levine negotiated it.

449 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:29 am

This is so demoralizing!

450 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:30 am

[448] Right...it could have been bad, but it wasn't Johnson pitched well in 2005 and probably was the reason the team won the division and made the playoffs. If Navarro ever turns it on, you might be right, but as things stand, it wasn't a big deal.

451 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:31 am

sad

452 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:31 am

No chance...to be in that position is really, really inexcusable. This game reflects very badly on the entire organization.

453 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:32 am

[448] Except it cost them Beltran, who they desperately needed because Bernie was in freefall. They still haven't replaced him. That's a big deal.

454 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:32 am

Sorry. [450]

455 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 12:32 am

well at least molina won't be leading off the 9th

456 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:33 am

[453] It didn't cost them Beltran...just like signing C.C. didn't cost them Teixiera. Not signing Beltran is another mistake that didn't have to be dependent on Johnson.

457 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 12:34 am

has mo pitched within the last week?

458 PJ   ~  May 5, 2009 12:34 am

Kay said Melky is the only current Yankee to hit a HR off Papelbon.

Huh?

Didn't Alex hit an oppo bomb at The Fens off him during an ESRSN game?

I thought so...

459 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:34 am

[455] True...oh wait...Berroa will :(

460 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:34 am

[458] He isn't on the roster.

461 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:35 am

Is Pena playing 3B now? If not, he should be. Not only is he a much better glove, but you have to think he'll be leading off the 9th, right?

462 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:36 am

[456] Cash has said that there was enough money being allocated by George to get one or the other. George insisted on RJ. So the facts are distinguishable from CC/Tex because we got both. In fact, after they signed Tex, Cash said that part of the reason he was able to get Hank to make the outlay was to invoke the Beltran failure.

463 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 12:36 am

[459] well i mean at least it won't be molina/berroa leading off the 9th

464 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:37 am

[462] Right...so not signing Beltran was a bad decision all by itself. It shouldn't have been dependent on the Johnson deal.

465 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:38 am

[464] It shouldn't have been, but according to Cash it was.

466 PJ   ~  May 5, 2009 12:38 am

I would much rather have Navarro today, than not have him, and not have RJ.

I'm just sayin'...

As the prick GM from the D'backs traded him back to the AL East! I'm surprised he didn't trade him to Boston!

IMO, it's still the single worst move during Cashman's GM tenure, whether he was outside the loop or not...

467 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:38 am

I still can't believe Molina took that AB... for the Yankees to have played all these games with no bench has been folly, especially with Robertson never pitching.

468 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:39 am

[466] I think Navarro went to the Dodgers first.

469 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:40 am

[466] That's fair. I'd rather have that 2004 division title though than have Navarro be the Yankees back-up catcher.

Classic Girardi overmanage here...no reason to lift Aceves.

470 PJ   ~  May 5, 2009 12:40 am

[460] Bah, stupid technicality! He's still gettin' paid, though...

471 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:41 am

The person who decided to play this game should be fired.

472 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:42 am

[469] Make that the 2005 division title.

473 PJ   ~  May 5, 2009 12:42 am

[468] January 11, 2005: RJ Traded by the Arizona Diamondbacks to the New York Yankees for Brad Halsey, Dioner Navarro, Javier Vazquez and cash.

474 Evil Empire   ~  May 5, 2009 12:42 am

[466] personally, I'd rather have Soriano in centerfield and Cano at second and someone besides the trainwreck playing third.

And I'm not in the "dump" Alex or "trade" Alex crowd; as far as I'm concerned he's a true Yankee because he wears our team's uniform. I just wish we could go back and keep Soriano (who was younger and, ultimately cheaper) and not get Alex in the first place. (Plus we could still have Cano at second).

475 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 12:42 am

[469] pena is ostensibly the manager right now.

[467] it's absurd that we're carrying 13 pitchers.

476 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:43 am

Not to beat a dead horse, but bring in Edwar is an awful move. Awful. Girardi has exhausted my patience. His one strength last year has turned into a glaring weakness.

477 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:43 am

[473] No, I mean before the Rays.

January 11, 2005: Traded by the Arizona Diamondbacks with Danny Muegge (minors), William Juarez (minors) and Beltran Perez to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Shawn Green.

478 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:43 am

[475] wink, wink.

479 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:44 am

Floating strike zone

480 PJ   ~  May 5, 2009 12:44 am

[468] My bad... you're correct... he went to the Dodgers later...

481 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 12:45 am

[474] i agree. as great as he is, i wish we had never gotten him.

482 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:45 am

[474] I'm sure the Cubs would love to make that trade. At least having no Arod would have ensured no playoff dissappointment...the Yankees probably wouldn't have gotten that far.

483 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 12:46 am

where the hell was that pitch?

484 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:46 am

[482] Nice.

485 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:46 am

I would love for A-Rod to be up in the 9th.

486 PJ   ~  May 5, 2009 12:47 am

Ok guys, I've had enough punishment for this evening...

Take care until next time!

: )

487 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:48 am

Amazingly, the Yankees still have a chance to win this game, but for some reason Girardi seems intent on making that impossible. At some point, Girardi has to get better at managing the game or the Yankees need to get a new manager.

488 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:48 am

This is nuts. Why put Coke in such a tough spot. Same as putting Melancon n with the bases loaded. Look ahead, dammit.

489 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:51 am

Joba is going back to the bullpen.

490 Evil Empire   ~  May 5, 2009 12:52 am

[482] well, I'm not sure that I agree with your point. It's speculation that no-Arod would mean no playoffs from 2004-2007, just as it might be speculation for me to claim that not having Arod would lead to 1 title in that time period (and I'm really not claiming that).

The Yanks won 4 WS titles from 1996 to 2000, so I suppose it's actually POSSIBLE to make the playoffs on a wing and a prayer without actually having Alex Rodriguez at third base. Obviously, those teams were built on pitching and that's where Cashman took his eye off the ball (just look at the Yanks ERA+ from 1996 to 2003 and compare it to 2004 to 2007).

NOW, I don't blame the lack of pitching on Arod, I don't blame Arod for much of anything. I'd just like to have the trade back and invest more into pitching. AND I'm just tired of reading about all of his exploits. It wears on me.

By the way, the last time the Yanks made the series, Soriano was on the team (and he was uber stinky in the series).

491 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:52 am

[489] That's up to Hughes.

492 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 12:52 am

berroa BETTER not be coming to the plate to leadoff the bottom of the 9th. i'll lose my shit if he does...

493 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:53 am

[490] Dude, the reason they haven't won since 200 was their pitching and so crazy managing in 2004.

494 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 12:53 am

[490] hey man - are you planning on coming to the Atl in June for the Yanks series?!

495 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:54 am

[490] No one knows what the roster construction would have been without Arod, but I am pretty comfortable assuming the team would have taken a big hit by subtracting a two-time MVP from their lineup.

[491] Unfortunately, the pen looks so bad, that it might not matter.

496 OldYanksFan   ~  May 5, 2009 12:54 am

Sori hit the HR in game 7 of the 2001 WS that put us up by 1.

497 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 12:55 am

is gardner really a better option than pena here?

498 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 12:55 am

what a great bench we have! : /

499 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:55 am

[496] Arod would have been the 2004 ALCS MVP. I guess it sucks to be an offensive hero in the rare time Mo doesn't do the job.

500 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:55 am

.421 .476 .737 1.213

A-Rod v. Minn. in the 2004 ALDS.

But for that, they may not have been in the 2004 ALCS.

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501 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:56 am

Gardner, really???

502 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:56 am

This would be fun if we were on run down.

503 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:56 am

[501] I'll take it! It was still a poor decision.

504 Emma Span   ~  May 5, 2009 12:56 am

Papelbon vs. Gardner. What do you guys think about instituting some kind of handicap in baseball? Like, what if Gardner started his at-bat with a ball or two? Wouldn't that be fairer?

505 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 12:56 am

and the .286 OBP rises! he better rattle Paplebitch and steal 2nd successfully...

506 Emma Span   ~  May 5, 2009 12:56 am

[504] Never mind...

507 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:57 am

Do you bunt Damon? Is Kay that much of a jackass?

508 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 12:57 am

do it again, Johnny!!!

509 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 12:58 am

Shut me up for good, Damon.

510 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:58 am

No way that's a strike!

511 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 12:58 am

i would love NOTHING more than to win this game...

512 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 12:58 am

jesus fucking h. christ....

513 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 12:58 am

If Teixeira never wants to hear another boo, I can think of a way to accomplish that.

514 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 12:59 am

how 'bout a double steal?!

515 Evil Empire   ~  May 5, 2009 1:00 am

[493] That's what I said, Rich.

[494] Yeah I'm going to try to take in at least one game in Hotlanta - maybe two. I hope the Yanks are playing better by then.

[495] I agree with you there, William. Just remember, I'm not suggesting the Yanks subtract from their team, I'm suggesting "what if they never added him". Granted, he's on the team, he's very valuable, he's key to their success. But what if he was never added to the roster. They'd been hugely successful. I don't think I'm really speculating to suggest that maybe they would have built the team more on pitching and other offensive signings. Hell, maybe they keep Soriano at 2nd and go get Beltran...who knows?

Again, I'm not an Alex hater, I've just got Alex fatigue and I'm frankly worried that we're going to lose him to suspension if any of Selena Roberts's claims are verified.

516 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 1:01 am

[515] My bad. I got distracted.

517 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 1:02 am

Pick him up, Swish.

518 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 1:02 am

Damn it!!!!!!!!! I really thought he was going to come through.

519 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 1:02 am

I guess the Yankees just don't have the knock out punch against Boston.

520 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 1:02 am

[515] cool! there's some kind of bollocks right now of having to buy tickets in blocks of 6. it's ridiculous. i'd love to go to at least 2 games, but it depends on my work schedule. as of now, i'm planning on definitely going that Thursday. we should be in touch, maybe we can meet up at The Ted...

goddammit Tex. he's batting .195

c'mon Swish!!!

521 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 1:04 am

i wanted that! basehit Swish...

522 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 1:05 am

DAMN IT!@!!!!!!!!!!!

523 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 1:05 am

Kay sucks. Sucks.

524 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 1:07 am

alright Nick. let's go Robbie!!!

525 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 1:07 am

Do it, Robbie.

526 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 1:10 am

fuck. and. shit.

527 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 1:10 am

Not good enough.

528 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 1:11 am

This teams continues to rack up demoralizing losses. Right now, you just get the feeling the Red Sox take the field in these games expecting to win, and the Yankees do not.

529 Rich   ~  May 5, 2009 1:11 am

Their closer has more stamina than ours given their respective ages.

530 51cq24   ~  May 5, 2009 1:13 am

[528] i suppose it would have been more demoralizing to go down weakly

531 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 1:14 am

[530] No...the demoralizing part is this team can't sustain any success, plays bad defense and has a habit of not cashing in its opportunites. I wish it was as simple as how they fared in one inning.

532 Evil Empire   ~  May 5, 2009 1:16 am

[520] heck yeah!!! I'll be in my Jeter jersey BTW.

533 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 1:21 am

[532] i'll definitely have Yankee gear on, myself! we'll touch base as it gets closer and see how it shakes out...

534 williamnyy23   ~  May 5, 2009 1:28 am

The injury to Posada is serious enough to warrant an MRI. Looks like the Yankees may have lost more than just the battle.

535 thelarmis   ~  May 5, 2009 1:34 am

[534] was just about to post about that. kiss the season goodbye, if he's in bad shape...

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