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Airport, on the Double, Mac

Helen Levitt by Helen Levitt

Chad Gaudin goes for the Bombers as they try to win this series against the A’s before flying across the country to Boston for the big weekend serious against the Red Sox. A whole mess-o-runs would really hit the spot.

Especially with Roy Halladay having an off-night against the Sox.

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1 NYYfan22   ~  Aug 19, 2009 9:49 pm

C'mon Gaudin! Let's lock this shite up!

2 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:04 pm

Chad Chad, he's our man! If he can't do it...

[0] Great photo, love those old cabs form the 60s and 70s...speaking of which, I am probably wayyy late to the party but the lady and I just started watching Season 1 of "Mad Men", really like it. And oh that Va-Va-Voom style of the 1950s women!!

3 NYYfan22   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:07 pm

[2] I never watched it yet, but I've heard nothing but good things. I'll have to start gettin em on Netflix.

4 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:07 pm

26

5 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:08 pm

damn this guy just keeps finding space for these hits

6 joe   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:08 pm

Derek Jeter is AWESOME

7 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:09 pm

derek is setting the tone right from the beginning - we shall overcome gaudin!

8 Just Fair   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:09 pm

Jeter twice gave away the MVP award just because he could. : D Stay thirsty, my friends.

9 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:10 pm

[8] haha, nice one :}

10 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:11 pm

nicely done derek - i guess kennedy thinks they will score more than 1 run on gaudin

11 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:13 pm

This would be a "big game" to win. It would definitely be nice to head into Fenway with at least a 6 1/2 game lead (the same margin when last these two teams met).

12 Just Fair   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:18 pm

If Gaudin couldn't put away Kennedy........oh boy!

13 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:18 pm

Umm..anyone see Chad G's picture on Gameday? Does he still have that beard?

14 JeremyM   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:20 pm

What was the thought process behind Gaudin again? Should've just stretched Ace out.

15 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:20 pm

[13] yeah i saw it last week during a day game. very scary. hell no he doesn't still havee that thing - thankfully the yankees strict hair policy has some benefits.

16 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:21 pm

[14] name pulled out of a hat is my guess.

17 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:25 pm

thing is, Gaudin's stuff isn't embarassingly awful or anything (he averaged about a K an inning with the Padres) he just isn't very, ya know...good

18 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:25 pm

Hanging (breaking ball) Chad Gaudin

19 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:27 pm

1 inning, 0 runs - i'll take that start

every hit like that to swisher has me a bit antsy

20 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:28 pm

Landon Powell .... cool "50's actor" kind of name ...

no relation to Hosken Powell of the Twins of the late '70s..
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/powelho01.shtml

21 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:28 pm

[18] diane, were you really away at the sabr convention - or were you secretly hanging out with chris berman?

22 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:29 pm

[14] Yankees love bad pitchers.

23 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:29 pm

Every "Swisher" is a story, don't it ...
(yes, I'm tired)

24 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:30 pm

[21]

sigh .... :-)

25 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:31 pm

no one ever seems happy to be sitting next to Nomar, do they?

26 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:32 pm

[25] I actually know someone who had dinner with Nomar and Mia

27 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:34 pm

[24] you wore leather, didntcha?!?!?!?

28 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:34 pm

[27]

beat me to the punch! LOL

29 RagingTartabull   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:34 pm

[26] did he call her "beautiful"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoqCZV-_8Qc

30 joe   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:35 pm

What is it with Anderson and drinking his water really weird?

31 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:35 pm

[8] Hey, you're stealing my material! ; )

32 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:36 pm

[27} ??

Cubs lost again to San Diego last night..on the nightly highlight show there was a close-up of Sweet Lou's face in the dugout, my lady glanced over and said "that guy looks reallllly scary"... wonder if it's worse to be a Cub fan or a Met fan?

33 The Hawk   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:36 pm

Does Halladay have some equivalency rule with the Sox and Yanks? Like he coughed up it up against the Yankees so now he has to go do it with the Red Sox? Geeeeez

34 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:37 pm

[31] we're holding you responsible for halladay tonight

35 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:38 pm

[34] Yeah, sorry about that.

36 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:39 pm

[28] That's quite allright ... I imagine you Ingrid Bergman in 'Casablanca' beautiful ... I imagine him ... uhhh, Chris Berman ... these things are NOT compatible ... where's the MIND BLEACH!!!

37 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:40 pm

[34] In my defense, Halladay is 0-2 against the Yankees since July 16, but he's 1-1 against the Sox.

38 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:41 pm

[36]

Heh .... I'm closer to "Peppermint Patty" than Ms. Bergman, but thanks! :-)

39 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:41 pm

Aren't breaking balls supposed to break?

40 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:44 pm

[32] i would think it is worse to be a met fan. right now incompetence and chaos is pervasive and seemingly entrenched in that organization. they are the second team in town and always will be regardless of the meme that assholes like lupica tried to advance a couple of years ago (remember when some were claiming nyc was rapidly becoming a mets town).
plus the cubs can always fall back on being lovable losers and the whole hang out at wrigley experience, the mets just end up losers.

41 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:45 pm

Oh Hacky, HOW I'VE MISSED YOU!!!

42 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:47 pm

[37] alright i'll give you credit for the 2 losses to the yankees; i guess the sox split is acceptable, but not an ace-like performance from you

43 Just Fair   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:49 pm

[31] Blame Cano, If I didn't compliment him you may have never referenced it. lol. : D

44 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:49 pm

i will be so happy after august 28th to never hear mk say jersey koozie again

45 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:52 pm

hey nice catch johnny d

tonight's text poll should be what can you fit in the foul ground in oakland?
a cruise ship
a trailer
a mansion
goose gossage's ego

46 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:52 pm

[44]

I'll be happy after Friday .... no more "Inglorious Bastards" promos

47 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:52 pm

[45]

all of the above?

48 Raf   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:53 pm

Gaudin has a hard time with lefties, but he's pretty tough on righties. He's probably best used out of the pen.

49 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:53 pm

Gossage's ego may be pushing it

50 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:54 pm

Think the A's blogosphere feels about Gaudin like we feel about Tomko?

51 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:54 pm

[46] Basteardedszs!!!

52 Just Fair   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:55 pm

[45] The Joba Rules V. I - III and the Map.

53 Just Fair   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:58 pm

Slump. What slump. : O

54 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:58 pm

tex with the big swing!!

55 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:58 pm

yay

56 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 19, 2009 10:59 pm

[45] all of the above.

57 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:04 pm

my that was horrid robbie

58 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:04 pm

looks like ROTTEN Robbie is back ...

59 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:13 pm

awful quiet here

60 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:13 pm

[59] we're letting chad concentrate :}

61 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:13 pm

bend, DON'T break, Chad'!!!

62 The Hawk   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:15 pm

I'm not sure I "get" why tonight is the night off for Posada. Give him a night off when one of the better pitchers - who don't like pitching to him anyway (allegedly) - are on the mound, not when his bat will probably be needed to counter the runs Gaudin gives up.

63 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:15 pm

That was just N'Djamena!

64 The Hawk   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:15 pm

[60] Nice one

65 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:16 pm

awful quiet here

two chicks and a worshipper of various gods who were patrons of cities in the Ancient Levant ... AWWW, YEAH!!!

BROWN CHICKEN, BROWN COW!!!!!!

66 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:17 pm

[62] I like the idea of giving him 2 days off before Boston. I also think it helps to have the better defensive catcher with Gaudin, who like Burnett has stuff that really moves.

67 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:18 pm

25

68 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:19 pm

Girardi has to bunt to there, especially with a hot Jeter on deck. I really wish the Yankees had a manager with some ability to manage a game.

69 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:19 pm

I don't think Jose can bunt.

70 Just Fair   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:19 pm

Jeter once dated twins b/c he was tired of triplets.

71 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:20 pm

[69] I actually think he is a pretty good bunter.

72 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:20 pm

[70] And refused to validate their parking!

73 51cq24   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:22 pm

[68] seriously? any competent manager would bunt there?

74 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:22 pm

It rained on the day of Jeter's ML debut, because G-d wanted to make sure the air was clean of any impurities for his Golden Child.

75 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:23 pm

Davis is annoying...he takes such bad routes to balls but still makes the catch.

76 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:24 pm

Molina has about 4 sac bunts per year. I guess that means he's not completely incompetent.

Mark Teixeira has zero sac bunts in his career, in case anyone was wondering.

77 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:24 pm

[73] Let's see...decent speed on the bases...awful, slothly hitter at the plate...ungodly hot batter on deck...yeah...any competent manager would bunt there considering the game situation.

78 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:27 pm

Gaudin has been effective, but Girardi has to be quick on the trigger here.

79 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:27 pm

[77] Molina's OBP is .321. The question is whether giving away 1/3 of an out is worth the extra base. With the current score, it's a very close call. (With most ordinary scores it would be definitely wrong to bunt.)

80 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:29 pm

Guadin is throwing a one-hitter?? Gameday malfunctioning again???

81 Simone   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:30 pm

Seriously, how is Derek Jeter doing this? Is he healthy? Having a freak year? Will he come back to earth later in season? Craziness.

82 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:31 pm

[79] This is year's OBP is over a very small sample, so it probably makes more sense to consider his .278 career .OBP.

83 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:31 pm

CAN I HUG DAD?

84 NYYfan22   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:31 pm

Who's up in the BP?

85 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:32 pm

[83] sure, i think you will need to after that play

86 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:32 pm

[82] Wait, you said it was relevant that Jeter is hot. Why would you use Jeter's recent performance, but Molina's career performance?

87 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:32 pm

[81] The more you think about it, it looks like 2008 was an injury influenced fluke season. This year is right in line with2005-2007.

Cano has to make that play...

88 51cq24   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:33 pm

that error should be shared

89 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:34 pm

[86] Because Derek Jeter is a hall of famer who even when not hot is still a great bet to produce, while Molina is an awful hitter performaing slightly better over a very small sample.

90 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:34 pm

FUCK THE WIN, BRING VULTURE IN ... NOW!!!

91 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:34 pm

oh flash i could give a rat's ass about gaudin getting a win - pull the plug on him with no regard to him getting a win

92 51cq24   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:35 pm

gaudin is pissed, and it looked like girardi didn't like his reaction.

93 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:35 pm

Good move going to Aceves...Cano has really been awful this entire series. I have no idea what explain his complete lack of focus in this series.

94 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:36 pm

[89] I don't understand why a Hall of Famer's recent statistics are more relevant than his career statistics, while a BUC is the reverse. Why is that?

95 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:36 pm

BELIEVE IT, CHAD.

We're NOT here to screw around while you try and figure out whether you can complete 5 innings ...

96 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:36 pm

[92] yeah he was pissed, now i'm feeling a bit bad for him - though not enough to have wanted him to stay in

97 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:36 pm

If only Girardi has been as quick with the hook in some of Mitre's starts.

98 51cq24   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:37 pm

[93] he should have been able to make the play, but it was kind of a late toss right at his face.

99 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:37 pm

He walked two guys, he's not really entitled to be pissed off.

100 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:37 pm

I mean, he walked two guys this inning.

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101 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:38 pm

way to do it ace

102 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:38 pm

For the record, I think the right move here was Phil Hughes, not Ace.

103 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:38 pm

That's why you don't F- around with pitchers like Gaudin. Good job, Joe.

104 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:38 pm

VULTURE PICKS YOUR BONES!!!!!!!

105 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:39 pm

Dear Chad,

This is not San Diego .... standards are different here.

106 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:39 pm

Ack .... the Valerie Bertinelli lookalike!

107 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:39 pm

[102] ... though Joe's choice worked out awfully nicely.

Damn, that must feel really, really good. I would love to experience that, entering the game with the bases jammed and one out and inducing a quick and easy DP.

108 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:40 pm

[105] He did good, though.

DUD ACING! HA!

109 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:40 pm

[94] Because a HoF is probably a better bet to perform up to his expected level. Also, what probably makes HoFame hitters is there ability to get on and sustain hot streaks. Molina, however, has very little ability. If his .OBP is higher in 80 PAs, it is just as likely to be because of external factors than a sign of enhanced ability.

110 NYYfan22   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:40 pm

I remember feeling so down when the A's pulled the 1-2-3 DP on Arod 2 nights ago. Now Aceves has pulled it off, too! Nice!

111 cult of basebaal   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:40 pm

How 'bout a few runs, boys!

112 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:41 pm

[106] LOVED Valerie on "one day at a time"..every 8-yr old's dream girlfriend..

113 51cq24   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:44 pm

[109] the numbers account for him being a hall of famer. it doesn't make sense to judge 2 players by different sets of data. i agree that you should use career numbers, but for both. you are giving jeter extra credit for being on a hot streak, which is fair, but you can't count it twice.

114 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:45 pm

Because a HoF is probably a better bet to perform up to his expected level.

This makes no sense to me. Everyone is a good bet to perform up to his expected level. That's why it's "expected level". The Hall of Famer has a higher expected level. But what does this have to do with whether his recent or career performance is his expected level?

Also, what probably makes HoFame hitters is there ability to get on and sustain hot streaks.
Really? Or is it their consistency? (Which would be almost the opposite -- it would mean they are lessstreaky.)

115 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:47 pm

I would have liked to see A-Rod and Swish see more pitches. Could have run Anderson very close to his pitch limit with a couple of long at bats.
Well, Ace will have to be awesome now. Good start.

116 Raf   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:48 pm

[97] Girardi managed Mitre before in Florida, that probably influenced his decision to stick with him.

117 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:49 pm

damn that thing carried

118 51cq24   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:49 pm

how did that go out?

119 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:49 pm

Damn...something so nice about a three run lead.

120 monkeypants   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:49 pm

Let’s see…decent speed on the bases…awful, slothly hitter at the plate…ungodly hot batter on deck…yeah…any competent manager would bunt there considering the game situation.

Joining the discussion late...

But had Molina bunted successfully, wouldn't that have resulted most likely in Jeter being intentionally walked? So, ironically [in Michael Kay voice] your strategy might very well have taken the bat out of the hands of the "ungodly hot batter."

121 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:50 pm

Do these people always break these streaks against us?

122 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:50 pm

[119] Maybe we can do something about that next inning.

123 ms october   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:51 pm

time to punch out again

i'll trust the banter will hold on to this lead and get the win

124 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:53 pm

[113] By any set of data, I think it was an obvious decision. Personally, I think Jeter being on a hot streak is relevant because of his superior skill and status as an ever day player. Molina's better .OBP, however, has been compiled over intermittent ABs. Put another way, Jeter’s hot streak has lasted almost as long as Molina’s season total of ABs.

125 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:54 pm

Cano is simply not giving a full effort in this series.

126 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:56 pm

Again, longer at bats by Melk and Molina could have ended the night for Anderson. But they each got a pretty fat pitch, so I don't blame them. Just disappointed.

127 RIYank   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:58 pm

Also, I'd like to see Hughes in this game. I'd like to see him right now, but I'd settle for seeing him after some bullpen roulette involving Phil Coke walking a lefty.

128 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:58 pm

Why are we looking at A-Rod's ass?

129 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:58 pm

[114] Great hitters combine consistency with high peaks. While a Molina could boost his.OBP 50 points over his career total thanks to one or two games, a Jeter's hot streak is sustained over weeks.

130 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 19, 2009 11:59 pm

Two blown games at home to a bad Twins team...Texas will not be a factor in the wild card race. The Rays are really the only other team in the mix.

131 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:00 am

[120] You think they would have walked Jeter to bring up Damon and Teixeira? Hell, that's still much better than having Molina swing away.

132 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:01 am

Big batter here Ace...let's get this game to Hughes.

133 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:01 am

[129] Great hitters are more likely to go on streaks, or less? (The latter is what consistency means.)

Molina's boosted totals are not over a few at bats. It's over this season. About the same sample size as Jeter's streak.

134 Diane Firstman   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:02 am

nighty night all ...

135 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:03 am

Phil Coke warming, I knew it. I'll be satisfied if Hughes enters after Coke.

136 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:03 am

[133] I think great hitters are probably like to maintain a baseline (consistency) with large peaks (hot streaks) and small valleys (slumps). Lesser hitters probably have a lower baseline with smaller peaks and larger valleys.

137 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:04 am

[130] Twins play the game the right way though..always grind it out!

Did Gaudin stay on the bench? He and Joe G go at it in the club house? This team needs more internal strife..harmony is boring..

138 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:05 am

My brother just emailed me from Dodger Stadium, where Adam Wainwright has a no hitter through five.

139 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:05 am

Bad pitch by Ace...can't give him an outside fastball that he can reach.

140 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:06 am

Absolutely inexplicable pitch calling.

141 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:06 am

Damn. Good try, Ace.
Gonna be a barn burner.

142 tommyl   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:06 am

Damnit

143 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:08 am

Paging Joe Girardi...time for Hughes, right?

144 JeremyM   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:09 am

[143] No kidding.

145 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:09 am

[136] I'm not sure that makes sense, mathematically. If a player has big hot streaks and small slumps, his averages (i.e., "baseline") will be higher.

146 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:10 am

Hmm. Now will Coke get to face three batters, or just one?

147 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:10 am

I'm sure glad that one out in the eighth inning is covered.

148 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:10 am

[145] Why? The baseline is his performance between the valleys and peaks, not his average.

149 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:11 am

Of course not Hughes....why actually manage to win the game?

150 JeremyM   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:11 am

This has been really bizarre managing.

151 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:12 am

Again, what is the point of having a talent like Hughes in the bullpen if he is never used in high leverage?

152 tommyl   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:12 am

There we go, 6 more outs

153 51cq24   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:13 am

i don't see why it doesn't make some sense to go to coke there against a lefty and save hughes for the 8th.

154 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:13 am

[151] But he is used in high leverage situations. Remember, the eighth inning is just about the most highest leverage inning, second only to a SAVE SITUATION!

155 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:13 am

[153] It does. Coke is much better against lefties than Hughes is, anyway. Look at their splits.

156 51cq24   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:16 am

[155] career or 09 splits?

157 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:17 am

[156] Career, I was thinking. But either will do.

158 51cq24   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:19 am

[157] it was a joke. same either way. what i don't know is how well hughes pitches to lefties as a reliever. my guess is it's very good.

159 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:19 am

[153] Because Hughes is the better pitcher and there are more lefties coming up. Why burn Coke for one batter that Hughes probably as just as good if not a better chance to get?

[157] To be fair, you have to look at Hughes numbers as a reliever.

160 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:20 am

Wow.

161 The Hawk   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:20 am

I know I'm late to the discussion but I don't understand not understanding why someone would rather give Jeter a chance at the plate than Molina.

162 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:20 am

Yankees desparately need another run or two here. They have been sleep walking through this series and one bad break will send them to Boston with another loss.

163 The Hawk   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:22 am

Let's just all agree that the use of Hughes has been ... sub-optimal. I think, looking forward, we'd probably agree that that will continue. It appears to be systemic, though exactly what that system is is anyone's guess.

164 51cq24   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:22 am

[161] i just think that either is defensible

165 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:22 am

[157] More seriously, I don't mind going with the lefty in that specific circumstance. But as you know, I fundamentally disagree with the practice of "saving" your best relievers for designated innings. Frankly, I would have gone to Hughes in the fifth inning, and used him for 1.1 to 2.0 innings, depending on pitches. If things had worked out, there would have been no need to worry about a key lefty-lefty matchup in the seventh.

166 The Hawk   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:23 am

I want everyone to know that my computer is dying before my eyes. It's a sad sight.

167 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:23 am

[161] Anyone (rooting for the Yankees) would rather give Jeter a chance at the plate than Molina.

168 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:24 am

[163] Agreed. Well put.

169 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:25 am

[165] On calling for Hughes in the fifth, see [102].

170 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:25 am

Using Coke to get lefties is not a bad strategy, btw. I just think using him to get 1 lefty is a bad strategy.

171 The Hawk   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:25 am

If Molina can't be counted on for a sacrifice bunt, he ought to add that to his skill set. I mean, I like when he gets a hit, it's kind of like the Tooth Fairy actually existing for a brief shining moment. But come on.

172 51cq24   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:26 am

[165] i understand that and i think the rigidity is stupid too. but i do think there's something to be said for saving your best relievers for the end of the game. of course there's a balance that has to be made, but why not save them for when the game will definitely be a win if they pitch well?

173 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:26 am

Shit...this game has a very bad vibe. Once again, the Yankees have kept the As in a game and now any bad break will cost them.

174 The Hawk   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:27 am

Anyone named Jack Cust can't be all bad.

175 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:27 am

Let's go Phil!

176 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:27 am

[172] Best pitchers should pitch in the most important situations. It's that simple.

The reason to wait for the end of the game is that you can then be certain that the situation is important. Bringing in Mo in the fifth with two on and nobody out might turn out in the end to be a very unimportant situation because somebody rallies for ten runs in the eighth.

177 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:28 am

[169] Great minds...

178 51cq24   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:28 am

this umpire is so inconsistent

179 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:29 am

[178] Incredibly inconsistent.

180 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:30 am

You have to really be concerned by Hughes throwing to an unoccupied base there. It kind of suggests he might be a little distracted.

181 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:30 am

Uh oh.

182 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:30 am

What!! A curve ball to Cust's slooow bat.

183 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:31 am

By historical win expectancy data, Oakland just became the favorites in this game.

184 Yankster   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:31 am

Sterling is killing me. "Cust has so much power. If he gets his bat on it, it's gone. He has a great swing." What does that say for Jeter's power? or any other 15 HR hitter? That's ridiculous right?

And grats to everyone who was so excited about Hughes. I was just worried no matter what.

185 Raf   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:32 am

No more curves, Phil

186 51cq24   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:32 am

[176] that's what i mean by balance.

187 The Hawk   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:32 am

There's gotta be a compelling analogy for the use of Hughes. He looks great when he's pitching but somehow that doesn't equate to him being in there more. Watching him results in this weird combination of appreciation and frustration.

...

Maybe this isn't the best time to contemplate that.

188 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:32 am

This has been a poorly played, pitched and managed game. The Yankees are about to give away another game on this trip.

189 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:32 am

[176] But of course, by not bringing in Mo in the fifth (in your hypothetical) the other team may score ten runs, which would be very important. So, (tuning more to [172]) by saving the best relievers, the game is more likely to be lost in the earlier innings.

On a similar note: http://tinyurl.com/lkxuok

190 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:33 am

Mark Teixeira is amazing!

191 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:33 am

Beautiful.
And there's nothing wrong with Phil's curve, it turns out.

192 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:34 am

[191] Nothing wrong at all....except why throw it to Cust, who can't get around his fastball?

193 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:34 am

Woohoo!

194 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:34 am

Now it's time for some runs.

195 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:35 am

[189] Of course.

Again: the early and late innings are per se equally important. The difference is that when the fifth is really important, you just don't know it at the time, whereas when the ninth is important, you do. That is the only reason to save Mariano for the ninth.

196 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:35 am

Break by Girardi, btw. He has seemed itchy to go to Mo in that situation. It's nice to see him trust Hughes for the entire inning.

197 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:35 am

[187] Yes. He seems to have consistently succeeded himself into getting less work--which maybe common enough in some businesses, but somewhat odd in pro sports.

198 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:36 am

[195] Ah, gotcha. I missed your point there.

199 51cq24   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:36 am

[189] like i said, i agree it's too rigid. but i do think some people seem to forget that late innings are inherently more important (that is, all else being equal).

200 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:37 am

[195] You also need to factor in the pyschology as well. Even though the 5th may be higher leverage in some games, I'd have to believe most pitchers wouldn't think so. The 9th, however, seems to be a boogey man for some relievers.

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201 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:38 am

A difficult question:
Under what circumstances does Hughes get to pitch the ninth? We score five? We score none? (Obviously not.) We score one? Two?

202 The Hawk   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:38 am

It's remarkable to me how well Teixeira has integrated. Excellent play helps, but he just seems right as a Yankee, much more so than Sheffield or Giambi or Abreu. I appreciated things about all those guys, but they always seemed a little "off" in pinstripes. Rodriguez is another discussion entirely but suffice to say, Teixeira fits in better than any star acquisition I can remember. The next closest is Matsui, probably.

203 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:38 am

Arod's bat looks a little slow. He could definitely use the day off tomorrow.

204 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:38 am

[202] The best complement for Tex is I can't imagine the Yankees without him.

205 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:39 am

[199] No, I agree with monkeypants about that -- they are not *inherently* more important.

[200] True. I'll never forget that post-game interview with Coke, when he basically had turned into an eighth grader after the late-inning pressure.

206 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:39 am

Aside from Jeter and Swisher, this offense has seemed uninterested in playing Oakland. The ABs have mostly been pretty crappy.

207 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:40 am

Well, my question is mute. With a one run lead, there's no disagreement about who should pitch the ninth...

208 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:40 am

[201] The answer is "never." If the lead is three runs or less, it's a SAVE SITUATION, so the closer must come in. If it's more than three runs, then it's garbage time, so Robertson or Bruney will come in. But, if they walk one or two batters (enough to create a SAVE SITUATION), then the closer will come in.

209 The Hawk   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:41 am

[200] The psychology is the main thing. The ninth is "last licks" and when it's someone like Mariano, it looms large. I think it is an intimidation factor, and having a great 8th inning guy raises the stakes. The opposing team feels like they're running out of time in the sixth, maybe even the fifth inning. Once hitters start thinking they better get something done ASAP, it's an advantage.

210 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:41 am

[cue the music] .... enter Sandman

211 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:42 am

[206] I thought Damon was hitting well against the A's.

212 51cq24   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:42 am

[195] [205] what makes them inherently more important is that a reliever can't pitch in every game. if your best reliever can only throw around 85 innings per year (and it's another question whether that should change), then, all else (game situation) being equal, late innings are more important because they are a better guarantee that the pitcher's quality will result in a win.

213 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:42 am

[207] I see my "mute" still gets some play around here. It's nice to see my incredibly sloppy typing skills have created a sort of legacy!

: )

214 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:43 am

HAH!

215 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:44 am

[212] Um. If I'm understanding correctly, then I agree, only I wouldn't call that "inherently". It's our knowledge or lack thereof that's different for the late innings.

216 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:44 am

[213] teh mute.

217 51cq24   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:44 am

[208] of course it's also another question whether the best reliever should be used in all "save situations," and i think all of us agree that that distinction is arbitrary.

218 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:45 am

Damn, that Davis is fast. I didn't notice it in our first series with the A's. Then he ran wild against the Red Sox and I noticed.

219 Evil Empire   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:45 am

[213] but wouldn't sloppy typing result in one incorrect letter such as "moor" or "noot"...sorry jsut being argumentative.

220 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:45 am

yay!

221 51cq24   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:45 am

[215] inherently because it's inherent to the lateness of the game that it's closer to the end.

222 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:45 am

[212] I'm not sure that the limited number of innings that a reliever can throw has any relevance to the later innings being of greater importance.

If a reliever can provide a very finite number of innings, then he ought to be used when his impact is the outcome of the game is the greatest. The later innings do not, inherently, have greater impact on the outcome of a game.

223 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:46 am

Phew...that would have been an awful game to let slip away.

224 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:46 am

And there's something we'll certainly all agree on, and need not even be said, because it is once again evident...

225 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:47 am

Still 7 games up! Boston is toast, let's hope Tejas can come back and take the WC now.

226 JeremyM   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:47 am

Mo.

227 NYYfan22   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:47 am

Damn work. I couldn't really listen and read comments as closely as I'da liked to tonight. But good win for the Yanks and good posts by youg guys tonight... HoF commenters :)

See ya guys Fri night for the big'un. g'night.

228 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:47 am

Where is Kim?????

229 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:47 am

[219] My sloppiness manifests in a wide array of manners and fashions.

230 The Hawk   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:48 am

Hell, the Yanks are going into Boston up a half game more than at the end of the stadium sweep. I'll buy that for a dollar! The Red Sox need to sweep to make any noise and even then the Yanks are still up four.

231 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:49 am

By the way, here in RSN there is absolutely no talk of catching the Yankees. I believe the fans would much rather the Sox were not playing the Bombers, so they'd have a better chance of solidifying their WC hopes.
I love it when they get into this mood. Or, for monkeypants, this mude.

232 JeremyM   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:50 am

[230] Boston plays tomorrow, so the Yanks will either be up 6.5 (where they were) or 7.5. Lester is throwing, so I'm guessing the Yanks will be right where they were, which is good enough for me!

233 51cq24   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:51 am

[222] if by saying inherently i made it seem like i'm saying always, then i shouldn't have said it. i mean that lateness of game is itself one factor in determining importance. so if the game is "on the line" in the 5th, maybe because the opposing team is down a run with the bases loaded, it's not as important as in the 9th inning with that same situation, since that is the end of the game. if you look at it only by the numbers, of course either situation could result in runs that help to determine the winner of the game. but if you look at it based on who should be pitching, factoring in that relievers can only pitch in so many games, it's more important to get him in the situation that is more certain to result in a win than a situation that may result in the same run prevention but then goes on to 4 more innings of play.

234 Mattpat11   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:52 am

Jeter's two hit night is completely unacceptable.

235 RIYank   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:52 am

[232] And it also means we don't face Lester. We get Penny and the new Japanese starter, whatever his name is (getting pretty late at night for me!). Slurp. Penny is going to feel serious pain, I predict. So will the fans, because that game should last four hours (he's very slow and the Yanks will wait for strikes).

236 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:55 am

Yikes. If tonight was any indication, I don't know if I'm going to make it through the stretch (and hopefully beyond). The ticker took a beating tonight. I didn't want to go into Boston with anything less than another series win.

237 williamnyy23   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:56 am

[235] I think not pushing Lester back is kind of a concession by Boston.

238 The Hawk   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:58 am

[232] Right - either way.

239 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 20, 2009 12:59 am

[237] Agreed..Penny & Tazawa, they should handle those two easily.. CC vs the Grinch is a push.

240 The Hawk   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:00 am

[231] My time last weekend with Cambridge folk confirms this. I asked them all if they thought the Red Sox still had a chance to catch the Yanks and none of them thought so.

241 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:01 am

[233] OK, I see what you mean. This is especially true of small deficits. For example, being down one run at the end of the fifth is not good but there are still several chances to come back; being down by one at the end of the ninth is infinitely bad, of course.

The thing is, these situations can be analyzed, at least roughly, by looking at historical win probabilities. Maybe one day a manager will have a big notebook full of win probabilities that he will consult when considering the leverage of given situations.

FWIW, the article I linked to above cites a Bill James study, which concludes that the best times to use your ace reliever (likely your closer) is when the game is tied, you're ahead by one, or down by one...and to use him for two innings. In other words, the best time to use the closer is not only in situations that "guarantee" a win, but rather in variety of situations that increase the chances of winning.

242 Joel   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:05 am

Terrific win from a team that looks tired. Good for Girardi trusting Coke and Hughes.

And is that Anderson kid only 21? Whew. Big future if he can stay healthy.

243 51cq24   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:07 am

[241] i'll take a look at the article. it seems to make sense that you should try to use the best reliever when the game is closest, and +1/even/-1 makes more sense than +3/+2/+1. but again, i don't believe that you should only use your best reliever at the end of the game, only that it makes sense that that is one important factor.

244 Eddie Lee Whitson KO   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:09 am

safe travels cross country boys! sox seems a bit resurgent, getting Youk back, papi's hitting, bay's stroked a couple in yyz (rock on Rush fans); think it's gonna be a wild one.

245 Joel   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:12 am

[244] Agreed. Even one out of three for the Yanks is OK. Just no blood. Get the games off the schedule.

246 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:14 am

Oh, a few observations:

1) Even with a bit of a tough night tonight, the gap between Molina and Posada as defensive catchers is very wide right now, in my opinion. It's such a pleasure to watch Molina frame pitches. Posada is just trying to catch the damn thing these days. Posada has also become atrocious again at setting a target. Molina presents a great target and if someone doesn't smack Jorgie upside the head for not pointing down for the appeal, I'm going to lose my shit. Not pointing down has got to frustrate the hell out of the pitcher, and that cannot be good for one's composure. Posada's bat is still in another universe and is a great weapon to have in the catcher spot, but when the time comes that I don't have to watch him behind the plate anymore, that will be something I'll enjoy. Posada does seem to be throwing better recently, though, which is encouraging.

2) Damon used to bunt for base hits, but he has had some of the most feeble bunt attempts I've ever seen recently. It's hard to have any confidence in him laying down a successful sacrifice.

3) It's funny, even last night I wanted to mention that it seemed like Teixiera was really struggling at the plate in a way I hadn't seen since early in the season with the wrist problem. I really think he's been pressing. Even that first at bat was so unlike him - Kennedy really should have come home, but I think it was great for Tex to get that run in any which way, and I think it settled him down. And then, WOW, that was a BOMB. That was so great to see, and I suspect everything is good to go again. That blast seemed to come out of nowhere, and it was awesome. Love Tex.

Have a few other thoughts, but I don't think my composure has returned enough yet to make sufficient sense, so I'll leave it at that.

247 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:21 am

Ok, since I see we've been discussing Boston, I'll add a few things - unfortunately, their odds of making the playoffs still seem pretty good. The Rays have crept back into shouting distance, but the problem is this - just looking at opponents' records is a mistake, imo - I have a spreadsheet where I track remaining opponents' winning %, but I view each team as either their home version or their road version. Every team except the Angels and one lower division team I can't recall at the moment is simply a different team in those two scenarios. So I run records on the basis of home record/away record and where the opponent matchup is. I think it was just yesterday that Boston's remaining opponent winning % came in at .498 and both Texas and the Rays clocked in at .514. That's a significant gap.

Why the heck is Big Fatty hitting again? That guy has looked easy to put down for anyone with above average stuff - and in a way that looked as though it could not be reversed. It makes me sick.

We (the Yankees) can have a big say in the WC race, as we have big remaining series against Boston and the Rays, as well as the three games against Texas. I agree with those who just want to take at least one and would love to take two, but boy, would I love to cast Boston down among the sodomites in the WC race and give the other teams every chance possible.

248 Joel   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:23 am

Have a few other thoughts, but I don’t think my composure has returned enough yet to make sufficient sense, so I’ll leave it at that.
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[246] Dude, pace yourself. This is a game in August with a 6.5 game lead. We've got all of September...and then the real deal in October.

There will be plenty of time to have a nervous breakdown from this shit. : )

249 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:25 am

[247] jjmerlock, that is indeed an awesome tag name..though it makes me think of jmjbullock from "Too Close For Comfort"...

I think it's essential that we knock Boston out of the WC race..we don't want to face them in the playoffs. Period.

250 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:31 am

[249] If they win the WC, the Yankees can't face them in the first round. In fact, it's shaping up that the WC (Sox?) will take on the Angels.

251 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:37 am

[250] Boston facing LA is unacceptable!! They always beat them...and Mike "Lean Machine" Sciosia will undoubtedly over-manage at some point, handing them an easy victory...

I want Boston to face Deetroit City but the W-L records are not lining up right..

252 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:38 am

Joel, that's what's freaking me out. My nerves are on edge because of some work related stuff, and so taking my stretch run health-ometer reading is yielding some terrifying results. I need to pull it together, man!

Not quite sure what diseased corner of my mind (uh oh, almost typed coroner) it came from, but it seemed to ring. OK Jazz Tokyo is all sorts of intense. Almost sounds like a WWII spy.

I could not agree more about not wanting to face that damn team in the playoffs, and have said as much to Boston friends. Almost precisely because of the home/away dichotomy I mentioned. It pains me to see them pick up some wins on the road, because I still believe that they are all about the home field advantage. One, I still think they steal signs with cameras to tip offspeed vs. fastball, two, I hate that damn theme park, three, my nerves will pop like old guitar strings if I have to sit through one of our life and death series against them, four, I hate that stupid park, and their stupid fans, and everything about that damn town.

I still consider them home-field reliant frauds, and the worst part of it is that two good pitchers + an effective home field dependency can take you a long way in the playoffs. I think it's so clear that we are the better team, and I think our play on the road displays that in spades, but you can get away with so much when you have that joke of a stadium with the miniature visiting clubhouse and all their other bullshit to rely on in the postseason.

253 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:42 am

Indeed. Taking any pleasure or hope from the Angels as the first line of defense against Boston seems insanity - as in the true definition of repeating a fruitless act again and again and again, while hoping for a new result. The heck with that. That the Angels play us so well makes it all the more galling. I want Boston dead. I want them buried. Of course, I want their whole team on the permanent DL with brain eating parasites, and I'd say the same for the Fenway crowd, but there it's more like motor-function eating parasites, and so on. Stake through their fat black heart, nothing less.

254 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:44 am

[252] "World War II spy" , that's awesome! Wish that was true, alas it's just a music-geek reference.

[253] Not sure you have enough animosity towards Boston to be a "true" Yankee fan..

255 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:49 am

[251] You prefer to play the Angels in a short series?!?!? The YAnkees haven't been able to handle them in a decade, including 1998!

256 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 20, 2009 1:57 am

[256] Ouch...am not thinking clearly this afternoon...that would be even worse..how about, we play Texas, Boston loses to Detroit...then we knock the Tigers out in 5? that sounds acceptable..

257 monkeypants   ~  Aug 20, 2009 2:01 am

[256] Very acceptable. G'night.

258 jjmerlock   ~  Aug 20, 2009 2:14 am

[254] Yep, my animosity is pretty much off the charts. I actually wonder what the maximum length of time is that I can rant about why Boston sucks in every imaginable way - I've pushed it to pretty amazing lengths, where friends just shake their head in amazement and crack up. I think the funniest part is that just about everything I say has more than a grain of truth to it, it's just clearly the work of someone who has spent far too long tallying up the list of grievances. It's also the not stopping to breathe, extemporaneous, no pauses, no stumbles, words built upon words built upon words all stacking higher into a pyre of verbal fury that has the unmistakable heat of deranged hate - that tends to get to them. Even the devil's advocates don't even try to touch that stove. If they offered me the JOB of sleeping with Gisele thrice daily as Tom Brady's personal professional inseminator, I probably STILL wouldn't take the job because it would be IN BOSTON. I want nothing to do with that rotting cesspool of racism and pastiness.

It's not healthy.

259 Mr. OK Jazz TOKYO   ~  Aug 20, 2009 2:36 am

[258] Spent only one afternoon in Boston during a layover so no idea about the city itself...it would have to be really, REALLY bad for me to turn down the Gisele job though... but I hate their teams and despise Fenway Park..Dusty McVittles gets 50 doubles off a wall 300ft away and it's "charming"..while NYS is a "circus"...vomit...

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