This is one of those fun games where all the analysis goes out the window because you can basically see any number of things happen. Pedro could get bombed, AJ could get bombed. Burnett could throw a gem. Pedro could be decent. He could maybe plunk somebody, just cause, you know? Homers and errors and relief pitchers and it’s past midnight and they are still playing. Or a pitcher’s duel. How about a so-so game, where they both allowe 3 or 5 runs in 5 or 6 innings. I can’t call it. And that’s the beauty part, right?
It’s one of those games that could be pedestrian but feels like it’s going to be surreal and nuts like so:
For pure theater, it should be good. Pedro Martinez has been a great bad guy in the Bronx and never fails to angry up the blood.
Pedro is one of the few players that draws upon the hatred of a crowd instead of needing to respond off the enthusiasm of a home crowd (and that’s the difference between Pedro and Cole Hamels according to the men that make the moves for the Phillies). Course I’d love nothing more than to see him get served, but with Pedro, you never know. Who’ll be shocked if he pitches a gem? He’s a great artist and you never know with those guys if they’ve got one last great flourish in them.
He’s never pitched in the new Yankee Stadium, that’s one thing. I’m sure the Yankee hitters will be happy to face him compared with Cliff Lee. Yeah, the offense should be fine tonight. Yes, Joe Girardi is already working hard starting Jerry Hairston over Eric Hinske or Brett Gardner. But the mashers are supposed to mash here, so, c’mon: mash dummies.
The $99,000 question is what it has been all season: Burnett.
We’ve said all year long around here, the Yanks win the World Serious if they’ve got Burnett pitching well.
Nu? So, C’mon Meat. You kin do it. We’ll be dying right with ya.
Bombs Away, Fellas.
Let’s Go Ya-Kees!
* That Little Motherfucker
Yo, that puppet of Gargamel is genius!
I join others on the record now: I don't like the Hairston move. No problem with Molina (He'll only get two ABs most likely.)
Mad rush to get up and out of here so can get to my desk at work for first pitch!
[0] petey is not going to like this headline
so what's the strategy against him - be patient and make him throw strikes or be aggressive and jump on his "fastball"
[1] Yes, it is genius. I almost called him Gilgamesh, btw.
[0] awesome iron man vs hulk pic alex. one of my all time favorite issues.
in that fight, iron man channels all power into that punch, ends up overloading and fusing every circuit and becomes trapped inside the armor w/ no air supply and means to escape. but it works - it stops the hulk's rampage. i refuse to draw any parallels to the game, but an unheralded reserve super-hero named scott ends up being the guy who saves the day...
I never knew Joba was so hood
4) Do you recall who the artist for that issue was? Who is that? Neil Adams? John Buscema?
[4] i mean "named ant-man" (scott lang being his secret identity)
um. onto baseball now i think.
if you guys wanna talk Star Wars I can probably go strong for about 4 hours with it....please don't judge me.
I'll be watching from my couch, but haven't been feeling all that well since this afternoon. Dunno if I'm getting a second round of whatever's been going around or not. Probably won't banter all that much, I do know that a Yankee win would go a long way to curing what ails me.
If they don't win tonight, this aint coming back to New York.
Nice head, Joe Buck.
great now I'm not gonna be able to concentrate till I listen to some Oingo Boingo, thanks Fox
i have to leave for my gig now. gonna miss all the action. please, oh please, let the Yankees win. just fucking...WIN !!!
LET'S GO YAN-KEES !! !!!
Yeah, I don't know why he didn't start Hinske. My only guess is Swisher will be benched for half the game and might need Hinske's bat. But then he's blown his only backup infielder.
Meh, but why?
I'll take a 10-9 win, I'll take a 1-0 win...I just want a win
I'm sure I'm a party of one here, but I both like and respect Pedro... even when he was a Sox. I don't like that he hits people, but many great pitchers (especially in decades earlier) claimed the inside of the plate, and a few extra inches to boot.
Really, Tim? Best curve in the game? Really? Really?
Good start
[16] I love Pedro, say what you will about him but baseball is much more fun when he's involved. He's a heel of Iron Shiek-like proportions
[14] Possibly...but for whom would he need Hinske's bat? Not Molina, because Posada will PH for him.
[15[ No... I don't want just a win... I want a slaughter. I want to send these red-capped jamokes back to Philly scared.
Just arriving (kids) but damn, that fastball looks hot.
[16] i like pedro too sans the headhunting
[16] I neither like him nor dislike him...I definitely do not harbor a particular animus toward him. And in his day, he was good as the game has ever seen.
Good AJ so far!
Does AJ's fastball usually move this much?
Good job, AJ.
that was a nice start aj
oh man, they should show him coming out to the mound
this is gonna be fuckin fun....
[26] I know, it's pretty sick looking. I think I've seen it do that before, but tonight it looks particularly sharp.
Damon sure does look funny when he settles under a fly...sort of like a little leaguer zeroing in on the ball.
[17] I missed it. Who has the best curve in the game?
[30] When AJ can control his stuff, he's close to unhittable...
[24] Top 5 all-time?
[28] Looked sharp, that's for sure. But he's had a couple of these, where he comes out like gangbusters and then burns out by the sixth inning. Actually, I would take that!
I know there's nothing new I can say, but man, Hairston AND Molina?
[24, 33] without looking up the numbers, Pedro '98-'01 has gotta be right there with Koufax '63-'66. Especially once you factor in the league, steroids, DH, all that fun stuff.
Now that's an NL lineup. Ugh.
here we go
[35] I'm trying not to comment on it either..
[33] Tp 5...I don't know. But damn, he led his league in ERA five out of seven years. There have been very few, if any, runs like that (Maddux comes to mind).
Always loved the jeri curls.
[35] I was in meetings all day. When did the news hit?
Oh man, they're gonna give Pedro that for a strike (third pitch)?
Make him work..make him work. Gotta get into the pen tonight.
[36] Koufax was ridiculously good, but that was a pitchers era for sure. Pedro did that during the steroids years..insane!
Got to get that pitch count up high real fast guys..
That looked disturbingly familiar.
That was a meatball Jeter missed
5 years ago did you ever think you'd be seeing this scenario right here?
damn just foul
Gameday showing a lot of movement on his pitches..
[45]
Koufax, career: 131 ERA+
Martinez, career: 154 ERA+ (!!)
holy jesus i will not be able to take a bunch of ks tonight
Have I mentioned that I hate philadelpia AND Pedro martinez?
My day? Aced my Block 2 medical school exams (though I couldn't remember which derivatives of which brachial arches lead to the formation of the palate and how this is disturbed in cases of cleft palate).
Make my day even better, Yankees.
Pedro looks pretty good.
All-time career ERA+
1.Mariano Rivera 202
2. Pedro Martinez 154
well that wasn't fun
[51] Crazy..peak Pedro and RJ better than Koufax & Gibson.
well, 17 pitches at least..
[54] nice - can you please pass on some competence to the bats?
Well, that was particularly feeble.
Looks like the offense is going to have to rely on Hairston and Molina, because the rest of the regulars have looked like shit so far this series.
AJ v. Howard. Hoo boy.
Of course the crowd is quiet. They're scared.
Good AJ!
wtf does beckett have to do with shit?
[61] be a little nice to the cap
I'm glad beckett has such good control tonigh.
Hey buck. Get your Fucking head in the Fucking game you example of nepotist incompetence!
[66] Yeah, but how the FUCK did he swing through that cookie?
[66] A little, but it's not like he killed the ball yesterday (nice double, though). But he has been the best of the bad lot, to be sure.
[69] Wow, tough room - the guy has 3 hits against a guy having a lights-out brilliant night and you say "it's not like he killed the ball yesterday?" Ouch.
Has there ever been a team that led the league in Runs that did NOT also lead the league in RBIs?
Wooo! Smoke 'em inside, AJ
Aggggh.
ah horsehit bloopy double
Fucking Ibanez
Danger Will Robinson
those guys knew what they were talking about
breaking news alert all - only 7 guys play behind a pitcher and they can't be everywhere
Has Matt Stairs always been this...round?
[70] I love Jeter, and I'm usually his biggest defender here. My main point is that the bats have been absolutely feeble so far this WS...when the nearly the sum total of the offense is one player who hit a double and two flare/grounder singles, that does nothing to contradict what I've said.
Matt Stairs looks older than my father, who is 65..
Oh, mother of God.
Matt Stairs? Holy .194 Batman
matt stairs looks more hideous than usual
wtf was that alex?
Oh Christ.
fucking really???
Fucking A-Rod. Well, this is depressing already.
They gave him a hit?
[80] They were pretty feeble in the ACLS, too.
Very disappointing ABs in the first inning, particularly Jeter completely missing a hitable fastball. Teixeira also has to snap out if it.
The last thing Arod needed was an error before his AB.
I’ve never seen a Yankee team look so overmatched and overwhelmed.
Really a hit? I think that was an E on Arod.
This is not helping me feel better. Though I do have to say that AJ is pitching well.
Dammit! Are we going to get swept?
Good.
Now LET'S FUCKING SCORE SOME RUNS!
ok lets have our first positive inning since Sunday
Well, AJ could have melted down after that, so at least it is a good sign he didn't...
nice recovery aj - but how in the hell did arod miss that
Nice Play Alex you dumb bastard.
Isn't the scouting report for Stairs to never throw him a fast ball?
[90] agreed but we've only had 10 at bats so far.
[98] Whoaa!!! Easy there. Arod needs about 10 more of those before he becomes a villain.
[80] No argument about the feeble bats - just saying the guy who went 3-4 isn't the guy to pick on!
It would be much nicer if we could actually get a rally going! That I know we agree on!
[92] AJ is pitching well...a flare for a double and an error, er, clutch base hit by Stairs. Yet once again the Yankees are behind.
[96] MOLINA!
Matt Stairs is also a dead pull hitter, that was something of a fluke.....1-0 is OK, 2-0 and the pants pissing will begin, cause this lineup is not capable of a big inning.
The Phillies look like the championship era Yankees, and the Yankees look like the teams they used to beat.
How does Joe buck talk with pedro's balls in his mouth?
That strike 2 swing by Arod is the official red alert for this series.
its no out, no one on, we're down by 1 and down 1-0 in the series....why in the fuck should the crowd be "loud" right now??
Why is Alex late on these?
Sigh. Damon's rag arm didn't help. I think I'd send a Galapagos tortoise on his arm.
good make his ass work alex
[108] Because it's the, um, World Series, and it's only 1-0, and the team is only down 1 game to 0.
The pessimism around here seems a little extreme for a team that is in the World Series for the first time in six seasons.
Good eye, Alex.
Oh, fucking fuck.
[114] Good eye --> good bye.
9 pitch AB, good job A-Rod
[109] Same thought popped into my head. We really can't expect Arod to stay so hot for so long. Eventually, the other guys have to get going. Unfortunately, I have seen no signs that is forthcoming. If Arod isn't a monster, the Yankees will be lucky to win a game.
107--the swing on the 0-1 pitch? yeah, I had the EXACT same thought....I'm gonna shut it down for a while on the "if you can't say anything nice..." principle.
Damn, that 2-2 pitch was a beauty.
We look so, so, so screwed.
Hm. Anyone have anything to say about A Rod's at-bats?
No hitter broken up!!!
that curve is slow as hell
nice hit mats
Yeah! There's the start of a rally!
show Chili's home run!
[120] See [119], [118], [109], etc.
[120] My only thought is can Tex, Posada, Matsui, Cano, etc. pick up there share of the slack?
Pedro montage--my heart races, my stomach churns!
[113] we haven't had 2 runners on yet and I think people would like to see a lead. I'm totally freaked out. We're at home. If we go down 0-2 to this team we are in major trouble.
Good job, Hideki.
[118] It sure would be nice if we got some help from the rest of the crew. Public Enemy Number One right now is Teix, though at least his glove is worth A LOT. Still, he needs to hit the baseball.
[107] yeah he did it yesterday but I wanted to withold judgment till tonight. Ruh roh!
Also, that run scored on his error, to hell with the official scorer.
[126] well not posada for at least awhile tonight
[128] Wasn't there two on in the ninth last night?
More bad swings from Robbie.
Yanks are hittiing scared. Playing right into Pedro's hands.
Fucking bullshit. LET'S GO.
Come on, Robbie...no DP. We have to get Hairston up!
see HOW does he miss that? HOW? Now, here comes the breaking ball...
i know i am getting perturbed as i have lost any ability to tune these two fucking dipshits out
That's an 87mph fastball on the corner and Cano doesn't come close. This team looks overmatched...more by the moment than by the pitchers.
[134] Yo, Alex! We seem pretty gloomy here tonight. What's your outlook?
[136] Your wacky Canadian-style humor is not translating... :)
of course...fucking of course
OH, fuck your mother, Ibanez. Fuck your mother.
Fuck.
Nice play. I didn't think that would carry that far.
DAMNIT
and fucking ibanez actually looks like a real of out there
[132] I don't think so.
Dagnabit! At least Matsui got back in time this time.
140) Outlook is good, but plenty pissed at the current reality.
Well, Cano didn't strike out, or hit into a double play. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
[141] Must be because it's in metric.
alright jh jr - time to shine man
and now the three automatic outs are up..thanks Joe G!
Time for Hairston to knock one out.
So, Does Pedro go after Babe Hairston, or pitch around him and go after Molina?
If Ibanez is going to make good defensive plays, then this series is over.
The bottom line is it looks like the Phillies are playing with complete confidence, and the Yankees look very tentative. After beating their nemesis in the ALCS, I don't understand why this team looks so tight.
Shut UP, Buck!
Hairston, Melky and Molina...yuck.
Didn't know Hairston was from Des Moines.
that was not a strike blue
[160] Go Hawks.
Yeah, making references of Hairston's numbers against 1999-2004 Pedro are as irrelevant as citing his numbers against any random pitcher instead.
[159][156] Whoops, I forgot about Melky.
and another big inning for the '99 Braves
Horseshit. They are playing like a bunch of pussies.
Another hittable pitch that a Yankee batter swings feebly at. This has the makings of just glad to be here series for the Yankees.
Once again, the Yankees look like they are in a wait-'em-out game. If Molina really has the magic, he needs to do his thing to make sure AJ keeps it close. At least Pedro has thrown a few pitches, so maybe he's gone by the sixth.
I didn't watch the series in 1976 but this must be what it felt like.
[165] Great comparison. This Yankee team definitely looks like they are intimidated by the moment.
Sitting Swisher is a fine idea but not on Molina night.
Good start, AJ. Nice.
[171] Swisher was so good on the road, that if you sit him, it might as well be a home game.
That swing and miss by Rollins was better than 90% of the Yankees swings over the last 11 innings.
[170] Also, I have to think having a manager as tight as Girardi is a real problem now that the Phillies have started strong. Torre had plenty of faults, but sometimes having the "Eh, we'll play better tomorrow guys" mood in the clubhouse is a real help to staying loose in a short series.
I want AJ to hit utley in the ribs
OH, FUCK YOU, blue!
god damnit ump
*Sigh*
god damnit aj
[175] If that was really an issue, they couldn't have won the ALCS (one reason I was so pessimistic). I don't think Girardi's tightness is an issue. Rather, I just think that most of these hitters have been overwhelmed.
Once again we walk a man with a .296 on base percentage. Inexcusable.
Damn it these Phillies look like the old Yankees.
Forget about the gorram runner and pitch.
[184] Agreed.
[181] Yeah, but they never were behind in the ALCS. They always had a game to burn.
Let's see if Molina can earn his pay and throw Rollins out.
mc #1
this is getting tough to sit through
Bad aj just arrived.
[186] That's true...but I think the idea of blowing a big lead can sometimes create more tension.
Also, let's not forget that CC, Andy and Arod really overshadowed a lot of poor performances in the this post season. Without them, this could have been another early exit.
Again, Victorino is having the kind of AB the Yankees used to have.
[191] Derek, too.
C'mon, AJ big out here...
[193] I kind of put Jeter aside because he feels like a constant (even though he doesn't always have good series). I also don't think the moment ever has an impact on him.
That's six throws over to first base. And one pitch way off target because of a slide-step. AJ really needs to forget about baserunners.
[191] Agreed - that rally in Game 5 was the only big inning I can think of.
Jesus, keep your HEAD man.
[195] Understood.
And there's another pitch where AJ let the runner affect him, even though Rollins did the start-stop thing. Get out of your own head, man.
Okay, got to get Chase.
Thank God. After all that, Jimmy's on 2B and there are two outs. Now, let's keep Utley in the yard.
I feel like I'm gonna be better off just not turning the tv on Sunday
[197] We don't even need big innings. A picket fence would suit me just fine.
Even in something as subtle as having a man on 1B, the Phillies seem to be completely dictating the action in this World Series. This Yankee team has been so good, that when it struggles this way, I usually get very frustrated, but the more this series goes on, the more it looks like the Phillies may very well just be better, particularly in the moment.
[197] Um, the Yankees won game 4 10-1...
JOE BUCK SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT FOOTBALL
i hope these pitches mean they are pitching around him
(I'm a fucking basket case over here, btw. My right leg can't stop shaking.)
We've all seen this kind of World Series before...but just not on this side.
So, AJ is hurt, no? It looks like his hand is bothering him.
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Oh, I see, the IBB for Howard.
Oh fuck
tex has been walked to face alex timmy you fuctktard
[206] Oh, I know, but if you recall, that was 2 runs here, 3 runs there - and hey, don't get me wrong, I'll take it! - but this is a team that could and should string together some "big innings" ala the 6 run 7th in game 5.
[209] I have an odd calm, but that's not a good thing. I get more nervous as my expectations rise. Right now, the Yankees need to show me something to make me think they will make this a series. Right now, I have some very serious doubts.
My heavens, we could be looking at Gaudin time.
Fuck, he got away with one there.
Fuck.
Does the 3 run homer come first or the wild pitch?
nice pitch - get him here
actually they showed up at 9:03pm et
Have they called a check swing strike on the Phillies yet? (Yeah, I know, that was not a swing.)
Whew.
good work aj -
[221] no, only teams with a high payroll go around on a check swing
Nice work AJ!!
Oh where, oh where did my Score Truck go?
Oh where, oh where can it be?
Yankees cannot waste such a fine performance by AJ.
How many pitches is Pedro up to?
Howard, good as he is, doesn't scare me nearly as much as Utley. Utley's their best player by far.
Unfortunately, momentum is the next inning's scheduled batters.
[223] Of course, because they are so selfish! You remember all the little stuff about the game that I forget!
[225] 43 pitches. Which sounds like Score Truck time.
That's it. This ends now. Cabrera and Molina start the rally.
Game Over Man. Game Over.
Let's Go Yankees!!!!!!
[225] At least 35 or 40...he had 26 last inning.
"OH, fuck your mother, Ibanez. Fuck your mother."
Wow.... I mean fucking a goat in the asshole is one thing but this....
[226] Yeah, that ball he ripped foul just before the first homerun was uncanny. Right under the hands, fastball, and he somehow got to it. That was some prodigious ability.
[215] You know, as much as we have differed in the last few days, I'm the same way. I think its that I refuse to invest my nerves if this isn't going to be a fight.
That said, I still think the Yankees will catch fire at some point. TONIGHT, PLEASE!
Who's our Daddy?
God I hate this
5 pitch inning?
[232] :)
What can I say. I was mad and I'm from Yonkers.
PH for Molina now please
FUCKING MOLINA. I'm so tired of seeing this black hole backup catcher in a POSTSEASON lineup.
wow nice Charlie Kerfield reference
People in Boston must be having a great time.
What is Molina doing at the bat?
Why is he here?
[237] I would give Molina the take sign for the entire AB, just to make Pedro throw at least three pitches.
I feel something big happening on 3-1 here.
[229] Thanks. C'mon, beat up Pedro.
He's got the right idea. DON'T SWING.
he's throwing nothing but changeups..
[244] Classic!
Wow! A walk!
pinch run!
Jose Molina: Yankee Hitting star
And Molina says: "Fuck you, Monkeypants."
Monkeypants responds: "Pinch runner?"
Pinch runner please!
FUCK!!!!
C'mon Derek how about a repeat of last night?
[248] Well, that's what Gameday is calling it, but can Pedro actually throw any faster than 88?
0-2.
It feels like the score is 6-0 Phillies and the series is 3-0.
I'm not saying it now but if this was the 5th in a 1-0 game and molina walked I would pinch run gritner.
WORK THE COUNT BOYS !!!!!!
[260] no one would argue with you
[260] And tonight, I would agree with you.
What the FUCK is your PROBLEM, Derek?????
Fuck!
this is a slow tortuous type of pain
Christ.... that looked like a meat ball
Captain, oh my captain! Not good.
WHAT was Derek looking at ther??
I woke up this morning giving Cliff Lee more credit, but after watching these 3 innings, I am back to my original opinion. It's not good pitching, but really, really bad hitting.
I hope the Yankees are embarrassed. Disgusting,
This.
Is.
Mother.
Fucking.
Cock.
Sucking.
Goat-in-the-ass.
Fucking.
Horse.
SHIT>
about as as basd as it could get so far.
Yankee star of the game so far, Jose Molina.
So, Pedro for 110 pitches...we have a shot in the 8th inning, provided the score remains close.
These starters are not going to pitch deep into this game. Just keep us at 1-0, A.J.
Pedro: 58-36
AJ::::: 61-36
This is really a fucking shit show so far.
[269] Sutcliffe claimed that Jeter was fooled because Pedro quick-pitched him. Whatever.
[272] You forgot tits (and tits is such a nice word).
[270] well i still think lee was great last night, but this is pretty pathetic. i don't know what jeter is doing taking a fastball down the middle like that with 2 strikes.
[272] yep.
You even got the Horseshit vs Bullshit part right.
It's annoying that there is no one to blame! The entire team is simply getting outclassed. It almost seems more worthwhile to root for some Phillies to screw up than Yankees to come through because it really seems like this Series is the Phillies to lose.
[279] Timmy was saying the same thing.
[279] McCarver said the same thing. It did look that way a little.
[270] I hope the Yankees realize that if they lose this series, the whole season is going to be a colossal bust. I really don't want to hear about how much of an accomplishment it was to "just make it!" Twenty-ninth and final loser. Nothing more.
[283] i blame you
Here it comes.....
Jesus fucking Christ...throw strikes.
[281] He has now struck out on 3 very hittable pitchers. Arod, as we know, has been bad. That is a recipe for a sweep.
[272] Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.
[275] I'm sure Hughes and Bruney will get in the game, so probably not.
[286] You would have said the same thing in 1976, I guess?
Some people aren't happy unless they're miserable...
[279] McCarver said the same. Whatever.
Great, lead off single.
Lovely.
[287] :O
Wow Sutcliffe and O'Brien are talking about the best dancer in baseball (Rollins v. Howard). Is the Series this boring to them already?
"Just out of the reach of Alex."--Girardi.
[286] I disagree. Winning the ALCS took care of a lot of demons, and I always consider it an accomplishment to be playing on the last day of the season. I would prefer if the Yankees didn't just look happy to be here, but as a fan, I kind of am.
this just isn't fun
now girradi is saying the quick pitch too
[280] Teat-sucking horseshit.
Forget the fucking runner and pay attention to the batter!!
Only the other team can cut down on their swings.
OH, FUCK YOU, FUCKHEAD!
MOLINA!!
wow I didn't realize we were allowed to catch breaks
POSADA !!!!!!!!!!!
YEAH, BITCH!
i don't think the yanks are just happy to be here or as a tea are intimidated - they just basically aren't hitting and not pitching as well as the phillies to date
Can that fire them up? Pretty please.
And was that not a swing???!!!
You've just earned your keep, Molina.
All this and a walk, too.
[293] I'm happy when they win. When they lose, I'm not happy. Its pretty simple.
but how was that not a swing?
That 0-2 was as much a swing as a swing can be.
Good deal, AJ.
Good deal.
[307] ; )
baserunning errors have been the yanks best friend
good work aj
Weeping... did you say you were Oriental?
OK, a long AB resulting in a BB and now knocking Werth off first. Molina's earned his playing time tonight. Him & AJ and. . . um,. . .er. . . ah. . . I'll get back to you.
[286] for what it's worth, i agree. and i think it's a good thing to have that attitude. we're the yankees; 2nd place means shit.
Lets score some fucking runs.
Let's Go now, LET'S FUCKING GO!!!!!!!
[312] And since the offense is hopeless, he should be safely in the game for another three innings.
momentum swing time
great line from Joel Sherman on twitter:
@nyp_joelsherman This game has taken so long that Pedro just declared free agency in the dugout, no truth to rumor Mets offered 4-yr deal.
The Yankees will score this inning.
[309] Maybe I am reading too much into things (which wouldn't be the first time), but it's not just the end results. It's the way these ABs are completely breaking down. Everyone looks completely overmatched, and I can't just attribute that to Lee and Pedro.
Get some goddamn runs and get Pedro outta there! LETS GO YANKEES!
[321] also, the only thing worse than hearing that the yankees bought a world championship is hearing that they couldn't even win with their $200 million payroll.
[319] Never said any such thing. I'm black as the ace of spades.
well we compared the last series to the 2000 alcs vs seattle. i'm hoping that this one gets more like it (except that i don't want william to die between now and the 8th inning).
SCORE TRUCK!!!!
OH fuck yes, Teix!!!
THANK you!!!!!
THERE WE FUCKING GO!!!
Good start. Keep it going
hell ya mother fucking score truck time
That's a Tex-bomb!
HE'S CUT! THE RUSSIAN IS CUT!
Yeah that was not a strike.
Pedro looked pretty emotionless after that
What is Alex looking at?
[339] Nice.
Hmm. Not a lot of excitement in the dugout. Jeter with a simple fist pump. Cano blows a bubble and stays seated.
Damn, A-Rod's swing fooled me. I though he had that.
Fun OldPoll:
Pujols will be 31 when he is a FA after 2011.
What will be the highest contract offer he gets?
6/$144m ???
Wow, it looked like he killed that
[345] I know, me too. Must have been off-speed.
by the way, earlier in the game joe buck pointed out some old guys in the stands as if we should know who they were. anyone have any clue who they were? not that i care, it was just funny that my dad and i both looked at each other and said "who?"
[341] jheri curls make you tranquilo
No shit. I went to get my hat to change our luck, put it on and BAM! I promise to wear the rest of the series!
Hideki, remember that double you hit that time?
You can hit this clown.
someone looks sleepy and tired
[346] if the cards don't lock him up before that, they deserve to be contracted.
nice ab matsui
Come on Cano, nice AB now.
Pedro is such an idiot. Gawsh!
Pedro is especial.
Oh, Frosty, come on!
Matsui: our Professional Hitter (TM icon please, monkeypants!)
[351] Or maybe you need to keep changing hats? ; )
Love those big swings.
[360] Professional Hitter™.
Jerry who?
whats Pedro's pitch count?
OK, Babe...let's see some two-out magic.
[360] no one says that about him though - that's not cool
ok thanks Buck
[365] 74
[360] it's option-2 on a mac ™
jh jr is getting pretty frisky
looked like hairston got screwed on 2 pitches there
Pujols will get a contract (incl. bonuses & advertisement deals, Cards will make that happen) north of $200 mil.
[354] Yeah. Then taken out and shot.
Yankees swings looked more confident there. I credit Molina.
Oh, Lord.
Well, at least we plated a run.
Yep, I see this Hairston strategy is really paying off.
I guess Jerry doesn't like fastballs.
[349] They were FOX executives.
[370] Dammit, you gave away my secret!
So it's now 6-3 Phillies.
Hairston might have gotten screwed...funny how Fox is not really going to that graphic with the batter's box too much.
[376] If I wanted to watch a guy take a called strike 3, well, c'mon, no one is better than Swisher for that!
Teix really killed that rally.
[382] exactly!
pc:
burnett -73
pedro - 75
[377] I think you gotta pinch hit form Jerry, Jr. He looks overmatched out there.
hairston, please use 2 hands to catch the ball. you are not an outfielder.
The homer did seem to take some of the deadness out of their eyes though. 75 pitches through 4 for Pedro.
[382] gardner is great at that too - swisher likes his strikeouts swinging i think
[389] Nah, Swisher takes so many close pitches, he watches a lot of called strike 3s to go with his nice walk total.
davey lopes beard is weird - clyde frazier and keit need to save him
Fuck.
If Burnett could ever manage to avoid making so many mistakes with his fastball, he would be ridiculous.
Monkey I will wear backwards now.
These guys need Cashman to show up and light a fire under their ass
[390] true - he is a k expert to go with his walks
how are these shitbirds getting hits?
Seriously, how long does martinez stay in the game? His pitch counts in his starts during the regular season were all over the map:
99, 38, 90, 25, 87, 119 (!), 130 (!!), 56, 84
[391] I can't believe how much Lopes aged..was Milwaukee that bad?
Joba Time??
[391] I is over the I don't give a F*&% age.
[395] or me and thelarmis.
[397] And he's thrown zero ground ball outs - that can't hold up forever in this park.
[388] Yankees need to work Pedro in the fifth. 25 pitch inning. 100 and he's toast.
[397] Weren't several of those real low ones due to weather?
AJ could sure use a better umpire.
[399] I is learnings to write. I meant to say Davey is over that age.
oh aj you are so maddening
Right, but Cano went yesterday.
Fuck the umps.
[403] Don't know.
YESS!!
nice pitch - good for molina holding on to it too
[397] leaving him in for 130 vs the Mets in September was insane
please get fucking victorino out. and umpire, please use the same strike zone for both pitchers.
[408] I'm almost positive that two or three of his starts had long rain delays
The 0-2 pitch was a low strike. Why doesn't timmah question that?
GOOD.
Hah!
I feel the breakthrough inning coming...
good work aj
more runs - the score truck is fully fueled up
[414] he said it dipped out of the zone, as fox showed it within their strike zone. not that i trust the up and down on that zone, but the 3rd strike to hairston was about 2 inches further down.
[411] too bad he didn't require TJ
AJ & CC..no complaints at all. Now, let's get this Score Truck Party started RIGHT!
[412] yep the zone is inconsistent as hell
AROID LOOKED SHAKY ON THAT FLY BALL HE NEEDS A DOSE
[417] Melky and Molina start the inning, so I'm not hopeful. And no, I'm not trying to beat a dead horse---AJ is dealing and I would not rock the boat with Molina yet. But that means he bats this inning.
Okay Yankees, BUST THROUGH THE GODDAMN DOOR! Let's go - get something going and knock this arrogant so-and-so outta this game.
Alex, I think you forgot to lock the back door
Wow, thanks [423]. You registered to this site just for that. Enjoy your empty life.
[426] yeah but it will hit his ass on the way out
Nice ab, Melky.
Hey Melky, Nice swings you fucking HACKER
that was quite an AB
The amount of ABs that have just been given away by the Yankees is very disturbing.
Is it time to PH for Melky?
Christ on a pogo stick.
Sawx lurker alert!
these are such bullshit at bats, man.
Who gave Molina the swing sign?
I didn't say the breakthrough inning was coming THIS inning
don't let pedro's bullshit fool you here derek
Thanks, Cap.
Thank you.
Why do we have to hear this shit about cliff lee?
Nice!
Nice.
[433] With whom?
Oh I got it! Pinch hit Phil Hughes for Melky, and have Brett Gardner pitch the eighth!
thatta boy derek - now get him home jd
ok, gotta fix the lineup so that our best hitter isn't hitting after shit
[439] And so he did not.
FUCKING REALLY?!!?!
You're a fucking clown, Johnny.
Fuck you.
what the fuck johnny?
Dammit, Damon!
Was that AB for real?
Do I remember correctly, that Johnny has swung and made out on the first pitch the last two ABs.
how much hate would these assholes have for pedro if he was pitching for the yanks?
Serenity now! SERENITY NOOOOOOOOOW!
Well that sucked. Thanks JD. Ugh.
that was basically a swing that can only result in a pop up
My f,u,c, and k bttons are being qite stbborn tonight. Hopelly they will be ba in bsiness later.
This is in ridilos. : (
The good thing is they really worked the count and drove up Pedro's pitch total...
I feel like they don't actually do that in Boston
[453] Yes. I think. We need to wear down Pedro and Johnny looks like he's got a hot date and wants to get outta here ASAP
[453] yep - last time he pooped up the 1st pitch to centerfiled
[455] What are you, the fucking Buddha over here?
At least I didn't come home to a big Phils lead. C'mon boys. BTW hey Banters.
Damon is useless at this point. I wouldn't give him a minor league contract.
[459] What's the difference though? With swings like these, they aren't going to hit anyone.
[441] I didn't think it was a bad story.
[458]
Nice.
+2
[460] They do when Papelbum ensures a quick exit from the playoffs, so that it's the only sport left in town.
it really sucks that the studio decided to give away the money shot of Paranormal Activity in the commercial
On a serious note, AJ-Molina can pretty much finish the game now, provided AJ keeps his act together.
Somebody at VISA should be fired. It's the freakin' WS and they put on a commercial "Go Football" "We only do this for Football". I'ma football fan but get a clue. What a bunch of dumbasses. They paid good money to alienate a unch of baseball fans.
[464] evening
[467] for some reason i remember reading a rich lederer story about when he came to ys (i think last year) and he saw cliff lee on the train then too - so even with my intense hatred for timmy and buck i didn't think it was a bad story either
That hook is philthy.
beautiful pitch - howard has no clue with aj
Well, it should make some folks feel better that somewhere, a Philies fan chat has a bunch of people cursing out their best hitter.
[467] yeah it was a decent story, and as much as i hated him last night, there's something very likable about cliff lee
great inning - have to give the maddening man credit - very, very good through 6
Fire up the Score Truck and use the nitrous!
guys please...I'm begging you here.
hey thats a pretty girl, I wonder if she dates one of the YANKEES??
I hope Cliff Lee sprains his ankle.
[472] FOX approves the commercials, and one of their biggest investments is football, so I am sure they love that commercial. It's really not a big deal. MLB is a much bigger thing for RSNs, so the networks (especially ESPN) are always going to over promote football.
One more inning for AJ? Hopefully he's pitching with the lead.
[463] No, Frank Costanza:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5513mXmQbw4
We go ahead...NOW
[481] That could help...for sure.
Cliff is a likeable guy. I thought it was funny the way he one-handed the lazy popup. It wasn't arrogant, it was just silly
I ditto that Alex!
[483] It's tough...AJ always seems to pitch better without the lead. Also, the bullpen has been crap. Between the pen and the bats, this really isn't the Yankee team I know, so it is really hard to figure out strategy.
Burnett at 97 pitches. One more inning I guess, especially if you want him to go on three days rest in game 5. Of course, if someone in the bullpen blows the game, there may not be a Game 5...
I want runs
Someone is going deep this inning. I call it.
[487] Imagine if Cano caught a pop up like that? Oy! He'd be crucified.
Another brutal AB by Tex...he is approaching Soriano like status with his inability to lay off pitches out of the zone.
[494] Ouch!!
The Yankees have missed so many pitches in this game.
[493] not if he were pitching a shutout.
No more dickin' around A Rod! Do something!
[479] I haven't done that stuff in over 20 years.
Work the freaking count, guys.
Rudy always seems to need cheering up
Damn...A-Rod just missed that.
All this "whose your Daddy" stuff looks idiotic in a 1-1 game where Martinez looks so good...I wish they'd stop.
A-Rod has looked really bad in these two games.
Criminey sake. Freakin' A!
8 strikeouts - fuck that bullshit
[492] I might be wrong, again.
he carried us for 2 rounds so I'll keep my mouth shut, but goddamn A-Rod...
A-Rod basically got the team to the WS. Time for someone else to step up. Anyone.
well that was a nice sequence but if it were last week that foul back would have been hit to the left field bleachers.
[493]
See I imagine the opposite happening, because Cano plays everything so nonchalantly.
...Unless he dropped it
The Arod gravy train is over. The rest of the team can no longer just stand around and watch anymore.
Arod was huge in getting the Yankees here, but like in the past ALDS, it seems like when he fails, no one is willing or able to pick him up.
The irony is that everyone always thought Arod was the problem, but the reality is it has always been everyone else.
[505] yeah we're really his Daddy....good chant
OH MY GOD A LEAD!
MATSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUI
[506] wimp!
[506] Ha-ha...I was right after all!
Sayonara!!!!!!!
best commercial
way to go matsui
way to go mp
Thank you Godzilla!!!
THANK YOU GODZILLA!
YES!!! FUCK AND YES.
I'll bet Pedro wants that back....he had Matsui dead on the outside corner.
Matsui-San!
[506] No sir. That's one for each of us.
MATTTTSSUIIIIIi
Bout fucking time.
[519] jINX!
[518] fuck i didn't even spell beast right
Matsui comes back, Damon goes somewhere else...
[520] I owe you a beer!
[511] He's 0-7...Do sample sizes mean nothing?
松井!!!!!
愛してるGodzilla!!
More runs! Give us more runs!
(Hi everyone - sorry I'm late - had a birthday to celebrate. =)
Ok I have to say I hope Joe puts AJ on an exceedingly short leash.
Has Cano always laid off the first pitch and flied out this much?
[528] : ) That's ok, I totally forgot...
BEAST COMMERCIAL!!
I'm kinda remnded of this kids book, "Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad (first 2 games of the World Series) Day"
It's so weird how Cano takes strike one sometimes. It's as if the only way he knows how to take a pitch is to decide to do so before he steps in the box.
pc:
pedro - 99
aj - 97
Cano's AB are usually effortless, but in a good way. In this post season, however, they are suffering from a lack of effort. He is has become a hackmaster.
that first pitch to cano wasn't close to a strike. pedro has gotten a pedro sized strike zone tonight.
Make sure the Score Truck is all gassed up and ready for more. bury these fuckers.
AROID IS PISSED KATE LEFT HIS ROIDS IN CALIFORNIA
[531] Right. 0-7 means the gravy train (i.e., a hit in every AB) is over. That's not a knock on Arod.
[534] I would go to AJ for the 7th (short leash), with Mo in the wings for two innings if needed. And the black hole brigade at the bottom of the lineup simply has to be pulled: Swish back in RF, and PO bats for Molina.
If the game is close, you have to think about Gardner in CF, with Melky to LF.
The Yankees desperately need to get this game to Mo.
Well I was right about game 1 being an L and I was right about Oedro not being the easy mark so many seemed to assume he'd be. I want this Yankees team to start proving me wrong ... In the right ways.
[540] Cano's always been prone to give away ABs at times. It's particularly frustrating because he's such a talented player.
[544] Ok I gotcha....I just don't want to read --- if we win 2-1 --- dammit our run differential is negative, how are we tied at 1?
We need three outs to Mo.
[533] Happy Boithday!
[543]馬鹿やろう!出って行け!
OK AJ, keep it up.
[530] I'll have a Virgil's root beer tomorrow night!
A Rod, please go take a dump or something and get out of this fucking slump.
WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THIS UMP THAT IS TOTAL BULLSHIT
Hairston should be out of the game now.
[543] is pissed left his brain at work.
WOW that was some fucking cheeeeeeese by AJ........Day-yum!
Unhittable.
[530] whatever you want!
I HATE Matt Stairs.
Yanks may be doomed by A Rod, this time because he was so great they have no idea what to do when he stinks. ( hint, Yankees: pick up the slack!)
I think Matt Stairs has gained weight since the beginning of the game.
cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeseeeeeeeeeeeee....more cheeeeeeeeeeeeessssee AJ!
sit your ass down matt stairs -
Pinch hit Gardner for Hairston, or wait to see if Hairston gets on base? I'd like to see Brett get some ABs...
And then PH Jorgie for Molina!
Wow. This is the best I've ever seen Burnett as a Yankee, and I know that goes without saying.
Ahh...but now the strike zone expands low, and I like it!
Suck on that Phils!!!
Forgetaboutit.
[566] I would definitely think about PH Hinske for someone (Hairston presumably) if there is a RHP. Then make defensive changes.
WAKE UP MO!
i would seriously consider aj for the 8th now
Fuck yeah!
We got a good AJ tonite!
BIG GAME AJ. : D
great job aj - great job
and nice play jete
[573] me too
Ladies and gentlemen.... "Good AJ"
Wow, great stuff. Should they stick with AJ for at least the start of the 8th??
I am digging AJ right now.
Am I crazy or should they let Burnett start the eighth?
[551] Thanks! I'm hoping to get an awesome gift. I gotta say, AJ has done his damnest to deliver it for me.
[567] "We are NOT going to lose this game" is what his pitching is screaming at me. I like it.
GREAT INNING AJ!!!!
Now...RUUUUNNNNNSSSSSSS!!!! WE NEED RUNSSSSSS!!!
I'm surprised it took this long for Morgan Freeman to play Nelson Mandela in a movie.
Isn't Burnett gonna start on short rest? He's at 108 pitches.
AJ thru 7: 108-68
Should he stay or should he go?
I'm gonna hold off on my "should AJ start the 8th" decision until after this frame
Wear them the fuck out. DOMINATE with prejudice...in the extreme.
Just wait until this team starts hitting. Maybe Saturday when it's nice and warm and the sky has stopped falling.
6 outs, folks...but did I mention that WE NEED RUNNNNNNNNNNNNSSSS?
[585] :)
[589] i'm glad you aren't intimidated anymore
[590] Or they get all the regular starters back in the lineup...
Dear A. J. Burnett,
I take back every bad thing I've said about you. I apologize.
[586] Only if we go with a 3 man rotation... otherwise Game #6 on regular rest.
wow...just um...wow
[593] Can't afford to anymore
That was fucking stupid
i think i deserve a little credit for aj tonight:
1228. ms october
October 28th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
[1219] oyf = oldyanksfan
i fell surprisingly confident in my boy aj and someone besides just derek will show up tomorrow
that may have been the stupidest thing fox has ever done. well, besides scooter.
Christ. Put in Gardner!!!!!!!!!!
Never mind. Go with Mo for 2
If you told me this morning that Pedor would be into the 7th with only 2 runs allowed I would have had a bad day. Still time to knock him around boys. SWING THE GODDAMN BAD JERRY.
[601] Oh God, Scooter! Hi kids!
Truly, why is Hairston batting for himself here?
[601] Yes. Scooter's number has been retired by all 30 teams.
[600] Props. +1
[606] why was he batting for himself all night?
[606] Great question....first time I disagree with Girardi this series.
Should they have Hairston playing RF in the late innings? It seems like a very bad idea.
ok AJ for the 8th? Dare we dream?
[601] obviously i'm only talking about stupid things fox has done in its baseball broadcasts
If you pinch hit Hairston for Hinkse, shouldn't Hinske have just been playing in the first place?
This is perplexing...Posada and Hinkse and Swisher and even Gardner on the bench, and Hairston is batting because he had a few hits against Pedro in 2004?
Didn't you guys hear? Scooter got run over by DJ Hero.
[608] thanks - seeing that he usually drives me mad i feel a little good about that one
Does it factor in that Hairston's the emergency catcher and Molina probably leaves the game when Burnett does?
[612] I don't think so. Hand Mo the ball with the lead. If AJ had less than 100 pitches...
[585] I can't imagine they even auditioned anyone else.
[611] well i believe he's only up now for his bat against pedro. if he's in the field next inning i'll be pissed.
RUN.
GIRARDI = GENIUS : )
well that was nice jh jr
Girardi's a genius
Jerry says "HAH!" to his critics....
Might I now suggest Gritner?
Hairston says: "Fuck you, Monkeypants."
OK, pinch run gardner please
Should I admit that I kinda liked Scooter (The Fox thingie, obviously the Yankee's Scooter is beloved).
[614] I can see being afraid of Hinske's defense with a right flyball pitcher on the mound and several lefty sluggers.
That worked out perfectly for Girardi...
Gardner express...all aboard!!
[614] Yes. I argued that earlier.
But if you believe that Hairston is a better defender, I can see starting him, but waiting to use Hinske late.
In any case, Hairston has to come out for defensive purposes.
Dear JHJr,
The entire Banter apologizes.
Yours truly,
OldandStunned
Wow I called my shot on Gritner! Woo hoo! Steal Gritner on the first damn pitch...Just go young man
Why are we considering pinch hitting Posada for Melky... We have to PH for Molina
So, Why PR for Hairston, who can run...unless you SEND GARDNER BEFORE THE BUNT.
Yes!
Can someone tell me what the Fox Scooter thing was?
nice swing melky -
Melky!
Hit-and-run!
Hairston!
Molina!!!
NOW send Posada to the plate!
Why the hell can't Swisher go into Right?
this kind of 7th inning from Pedro is making me all kinds of nostalgic
IN THE AIR, JORGE
Go Go Yankees Go!
WE NEED RUUUUUNNNNNSSS!!!!
Okay Po, Pomentum time!
BURY THEM ... THOSE FUCKERS.
We finish them here and take game 3 and then we'll see where things stand.
[639] a talking baseball - i'll refrain from giving my opinion on it lest i hurt anyone's feeling yes you rbj :}
[639] Some kind of talking baseball that told kids what a curveball and stuff was. They gave him a terrible voice, and the first time he appeared they had a big technical glitch as well.
Here we go Score Truck, here we go!
[636] Hinske and Swish could have PH for Molina. It doesn't matter who PHs for whom, because the defense will still end up Gardner/Swisher for Hairston in RF and Posada for Molina at C.
Hoot! Hoot!
[639] A graphic of a baseball, who would tell you what each type of pitch was (fastball, curve, slider, etc.)
Did Manuel just get a phone call from Grady Little?
How about a Melky steal here?
Ok NOW we can yell, "WHOSE YOUR DADDY" because we're ahead with 2 on and nobody out...see now it makes some sense.
that was weird
I really like Pedro because he seems to really love baseball.
I have to say Pedro was impressive. And I only say it cause we have the lead.
I love how they booed when he pointed to the sky. Awesome.
The fans are on Pedro, but he pityched great.
Just not quite as good as AJ.
[652] Good call.. I had defensive replacements worked out all wrong in my head
Hey Jorgie, how about NOT hitting into a double play, okay?
[650] Spongebob voiced him
Later Pedro, thanks for playin'.
I love how he smiled. Motherfucker til the end. He was fabulous tonight.
True story...when Chad Bradford played for the Braves I went with his brother to the ATL to catch a game and we met up with him afterwards. I was standing in the tunnel and Pedro Martinez walked by. I didn't want his autograph or anything (I was just being friendly) and I said, "good pitching Mr. Martinez"...He hadn't pitched that well, but I was being sincere....
He sneered at me.
I kind of liked that reaction somehow.
[663] Even that would work.
>|, on the other hand...
I'm definitely with Mr. Belth on that!
[663] From your keyboard to Posada's ears!
Hopefully Girardi will send Melky.
[663] I am not sure you should be even having that suggestion.
[667] not FOR the Braves -- Chad was playing FOR the Muts, they were playing against the Braves.
Scooter (on Fox):
http://tinyurl.com/yk9wkg2
Nothing Pedro can do will make me like him. Unless of course he took me out for steak like he mentioned the other day. That'd be cool. But other than that. Hit the showers old head.
[666] The cat LOVES to play the villain. In a weird way, I love him. I mean, I love to hate him. I sure as hell know I will really miss him. He's a great character and part of baseball history.
please light up chan ho park
Posada has GOT to get a deep fly ball here.
again, I really don't think I've ever seen a Korean gentleman pull off facial hair like that
i like pedro and always have. schilling, on the other hand, can suck a dick.
[667] Nice story, and he must have known he pitched poorly and didn't want to have smoke blown up his ass!
It would be nice to get 2 or 3 here, and allow Phil to pitch the 8th.
Jorgie..please juice one. Please!
[652] why waste Hinske or Swish? They're faster than Po, but that's kind of relative. Why not save them for extra innings should that happen?
Send Melky? They won't throw through, would they?
[675] Ditto. After we all tell our grandkids about watching Mo pitch, the next guy we'll tell them about is Pedro.
[678] i've rarely seen any try
there is something compelling about pedro - and he really does know how to pitch
[679] Schilling is Pedro with absolutely none of the wit or charisma
Dear Jorge,
Please help provide a stress free 8th and 9th.
Thanks,
Me and the gang.
Oh Christ. Here it comes
Posada with another take on a pitch down the middle.
nice job po
Jorge!
All right! Buck sounded crushed.
He was obviously setting that up...good job Jorge.
Well, that was much better than what I was expecting.
WORD. Atta boy Jorge.
YEAH. The bats are finally doing something!
Thanks for that Po!
Score truck finally replaced the popped clutch.
[687] and half the pitching talent
that scooter thing sounds awful...anyone remember when This Week in Baseball had a claymation Mel Allen. THAT was in horrible taste.
NO BUNT.
We're going bcak to Phily 1-1, I can feel it!
[683] To PH for whom? One of them would already be in for Hairston, who is the only player you're going to PH for.
Also, I would put Swish in the game anyway, because he's a better defender than Damon (Melky would go to LF and Gritner to CF).
WE NEED MORE RUUUUUUNNNNNNNSSSSS! Go Derek go!
Need a little Captain in us now!
Swing Jetes!
Dude, it's Chan Ho. Don't give him an out.
Damon's just going to swing at the first pitch and pop up anyway.
c'mon cappy
Posada's going to get nailed at 2nd if Jeter bunts.
Why are you pulling back on that?!?!!
What is Jeter doing?
what the fuck is he doing bunting????
What was that? Either bunt or don't...dont give awaya pitch.
Normally I would not agree with the bunt, but in this case it's not a bad move (IMO).
No way I have Derek bunt here.
Awful. Just awful.
what the fuck was that?
Holy SHIT
that is quite possibly the worst postseason AB Jeter has ever had
[701] That was an abomination.
Um, Cap'n?
pukinginmouth boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
WTF Jetes?
Well, that was horrendous.
thats the stupidest thing i've ever seen jeter do
That is the all-time worst bunt-based decision in WS history. Fucking stupid.
Why do you bunt with Damon coming up? And then bunt with 2 strikes? That was a HORRIBLE play by Jeter. I love the guy, but he had his head up his ass there.
What the fuck? You are Derek Fucking Jeter... You don't even need to bunt in the first place
Stupid. I don't think I've ever said that about Jeets before.
Well, that was sub-optimal.
.
.
.
Out of the box thinking...PH for Damon?
Cripes, and now Park is coming out. That sucks, and here comes a lefty . . .
hopefully Jeter gets a public spanking on this bunting thing and that's the last we'll see of it
Don't stop the fucking train now! RUNNNNNSSS!
If the Yankees lose this game, Derek Jeter should be excoriated. Not because he failed to execute, but because he had one of the stupidest ABs of recent memory.
i would say that girardi should have told him to absolutely not bunt there, but i imagine jeter even surprised him on the 0-2
I've seen Jeter fail in a big spot, sure, but I've never seen a play as willfully stupid as that from him.
Robert Zemeckis needs to be put out of his misery.
[733] Amen.
i think scooter the baseball needs to talk to derek about that bullshit
[731] Oooh, I like that. Send Swisher up, and then you could put Melky in LF, Gardner in CF, and Swisher in RF.
It's not Girardi's fault, but after this, I hope he puts an end to the Jeter bunting on his own nonsense.
I actually didn't realize what the count was until I heard McCarver scream in terror when he tried to bunt again
Jeez and here comes Johnny to ruin our shot at a big inning.
Wow, brutal, moronic play by Jeter. Just amazingly unwise.
[741] I kinda like that. I really hate Damon's arm
very large goat potential for the Capn if we lose this game..giving away a key out!
That bunt make the Punto, Span, Abreu, Cano and Posada baserunning blunders look liek strokes of genius.
[731] i just hope damon is the 3rd batter with a "fuck you monkeypants"
[741] That was my thinking. But it sure does look like Girardi prefers Johnny to hit (he's been scuffing badly, and he's facing a lefty) AND to play defense, over Swish.
Fright Night Eve. Worst Prank Ever. Geez, Jeter.
shit i thought derek pulled back the bunt on the 2nd pitch because he didn't really want ot bunt then - who the hell knew he was waiting for 2 strikes
[749] So do I, brother.
But no.
How man caught DP's are they going to get?
you have got to be fucking kidding me
what the fuck!?
AGAIN!!!
Fucking umps!
The umps better gather on this one.
BULLSHIT _ BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[742] How many times did we hope Torre would d
WTF?!?!
It hit the ground!!!!!! Damn these low caught balls!
!@#$!@#$#@$^$^#%T$&^&*^&)_%^&%^*!!!
Bizarre
Fucking bullshit from the umps ..yet again.
LIke sand through the hour glass...........$#$###%%%#%#%@%$%@%@%@%$
Well, that was a debacle.
Bad call. Fuckitty Fuck Fuck!!!!!
You have got to be kidding me.
OK, I'm on board for replay. I have fought with you guys for years over this, but I give in.
If I can see it on first blink that it hit the ground, why can't the umps?
You make your own luck...stupid decisions by Jeter create bad breaks like that.
I don't think it hit the ground
I HOPE THESE UMPIRES GET FUCKED IN THE ASS BY A GIANT GOAT WITH A THORNED COCK. Fuck! What the fuck is wrong with these idiots?!
Not to mention Howard knew it was bounced, which is why he threw to second.
[773] Now I am starting to wonder
Girardi, go view the replay and then don't leave until they carry you out.
that turned into a clusterfuck mighty quickly
[770] I'd say "highlight" instead of "create" but yes - it just reenforces that Jeter should not have bunted!
[768] Welcome aboard the bandwagon.
[768] How do you review that though? The ump called a catch. Had he called no catch, maybe Howard takes an out at the bag. There is no way to rectify that mistake.
how can they fucking get together for the phillies yesterday but not now? it's the same fucking play!
[772] I agree.
I hope when the commercial's over they have it figured out correctly.
what the fucking hell are these guys smoking?
[779] That's the crime here...there should have been a huddle.
At least if the Yankees lose we'll see a true instant replay next year.
[775] I didn't think the replay was that conclusive. I'm watching in standard depth, though.
[778] what the fuck are you talking about? if howard had caught it, he would have gone to the base. he was trying to turn a double play because he knew he hadn't caught it.
Howard knew it hit the ground that's why he was running towards first to tag the base.
[781] Stop sniffing Jorge's white out.
[778] Ask the homeplate ump. He was the one in position to see the ball.
All praise be to Mo. Serenity now.
[680] I think you're right. It was fun to be sneered at. Actually my favorite moment that night is a tie: (1) walking with Chad & his brother to his brother's car and no one recognized him; and (2) seeing William Rhoden walk into the Mets clubhouse and before he did telling him "Mr. Rhoden I love your writing in the Times" (and I really do) and he was genuinely appreciative of the comment.
even fox is blowing up the damn thing it was so blatant - asshole ump
This is the fucking Zapruder Film.
these umps...oy vey.
well at least I tried on my halloween costume and it fits (hint: paranormal investigations and eliminations)...so there's that
I have a very bad feeling about this game because of that call.
Given that its Carlos Ruiz up, I think I would have let AJ stay in.
That was a horrible, horrible, horrible call.
Fuck, that was huge. I bet the ball is covered in dirt.
The first base ump is behind Howard. No way he can see that short hop. It's takes video to get it right.
It amazes me that an ump can make a call when he couldn't possibly see the play. Do they just make up shit as they go?
[794] stop that now!
I'm still against replay....My solution is to let me and Bald Vinny have the right to punch any ump who blows a call against our team.
Ok Mo. Do your thing.
[794] STOP...In Mo we Trust.
[778] THAT play actually was rectifiable, because everyone but the ump played it as if the ball bounded. Howard threw wide to 2B, and all the runners treated it as a one-hopper. And no one wondered off base during the course of the play.
Mo, shut them up and shut them the fuck down!
yes that is so amazing timmy
Please do NOT walk Jimmy ".296" Rollins.
OK Bad call. Tough call. Shit Happens.
Mo save us.
Let's GO MO! 5 outs!
bury him mo
[806] If he does, he's just setting up the double play! ;) He won't.
[804] Hey WC
Too many pitches
[810] . . .
No good.
I can't watch...........
[811] Yep?
Ignore the runner..just get the hitters.
Not a supporter of this move. Too late now. C'mon MO!!!!
11 pitch AB. Why didn't Rollins do this during the regular season?
[807] no. bad call. I quit. It's not even sporting. it's a fix.
WC -- maybe we can hear McCarver say tonight, "It's amazing how the Yankees have tied the series....did you know that since 2004 winning teams are 22-2 against losers in the series but the Yanks already have 1/2 the wins of the losing teams of all 6 previous series" [or some such drivel] and then he'll add "Ahhhhmazing!"
I know it's Mo and all but AJ was pitching lights out. I guess Joe doesn't have the confidence in him like Manuel had with Lee.
Really bad
[800] I like the idea that one guy watches the TV feed in an umpire booth. Mkae him part of the action like the chair ump in tennis. Balls and strikes are called by a plate ump. The umps at each base make the calls for ease of communication but are backed up by the chair ump. Hell, get him a lazy boy and a flat panel!
Dammit!
fuuuuck
holy fuck
I hate these announcers more than Sean Salisbury hates Deadspin
[813] So much for my prognosticating. Dammit.
Bear down, Mo!
Holy shit.
These Phillies are the Yankees. In one inning, the Yankees bunt with two strikes...in another, the Phillies rally against a great pitcher.
What is McCarver talking about?
No reason to worry.
Crap!
Sutcliffe: "All because of the battle by Rollins..."
No, all because the Yankees got buttfucked in the bottom of the 7th, which pushed Mo in for a two inning save with only a 2 run lead.
Come on Mariano! You can get outta this!
where the fuck was teixeira on that? did he trip?
[806] .296 OBP on the season and he's walked three damn times already? How is he not walking more in the regular season? I suppose he changes his approach. If he had this approach all the time he'd be a great player.
[820] Dude you sound like the Angel's fans on Halos Heaven.
Lucky call on that outside strike
[821] True dat. And to think I liked them. Pfft.
Who's the Phillie with the bad Fu Man Chu?
nice pitch - get him now
Idle thought as we await Mo shutting down the Phillies:
I'm sure Selig is happy the Dodgers are out, given the McCourts' divorce saga.
Oh, the tension...
[845] i can't take it..
Is Mo at 50 pitches yet? This is excruciating.
Shit. C'mon Mo!
what the fuck is he throwing there? a fucking sinker???
c'mon mo -
I can't watch
bangs head against wall
YES!
THERE YA GO!!!
HELL YEAH! Great Pitch Mo!
holy fucking shit that was scary as hell
YES!
And THAT IS HOW WE DO THAT!
fuck yes that is what we needed thatnk god
Great play by Cano.
FUCK YEAH!!!!!
Thank. You. God.
Sweet Jesus, Phew.
FUCK YES
Fucking huge...big mistale by Manuel.
Hey monkeypants - what did I tell ya! [810] Double play!
Mo be Praised. One more inning MO, please.
cry me a fucking river Joe and Tim
Make-up call at 1B? I couldn't see if he was actually out.
wow jeter turned that beautifully despite being taken the fuck out
[865] You're the man, man!
Ok my volume is officially off...Time for John and Suzyn....
That little bitch didn't even touch the base on the slide into Jeter. He was three fucking feet away!
that was way too god damn stressful - please mo follow that up with one of your easy 9th innings
It looked close but probably should be a DP anyway given how the runner at second went so far out to take Jeter out.
Did McCarver actually make a good point?
[868] He was out on the replay, it was close though.
[868] definitely out. we are still owed a huge call.
Mariano Rivera..greatest of all time!!
That'll do Mo. That'll do. Go keep that gift warm until the 9th. Better yet. How bout the O break out the whoop ass and score 10 gd runs so that anyone else can pitch. arghghghghgghgh
Have I mentioned that WE NEED RUUUUUUUUNS!?
The Yanks add a couple of tack on runs here, I'm predicting. Then Mo finishes it and there is a day of rest.
Lesson over.
I get fucking ulcers from this shit. Please put them away boys! Bury their fucking asses.
[873] Well Mo is death to lefties, and to righties, so I imagine it'll go quickly.
[872] I saw that too! At least they got the DP.
[786] You don’t know what Howard would have done. That’s a guessing game. Once the umpire rules it a catch, it does influence his actions. You can’t simply change the call and then try to recreate what might have happened. Howard very well could have decided to take the easy out.
[879] The sad thing is Mo would probably still pitch up 10 just to get the save.
so...do y'all think cano touched second or was it the neighborhood play..
BTW, Suzyn says Utley was safe.
I thought Utley was safe when it happened.
now fox wants to focus on a blown call - fuck the fuck off assholes
[882] We got 'em WC...In Mo we trust.
So let's see...the bad call against the Yankees wasn't obvious, but the Utley DP was?
fox just manufactured a new replay that looks safe. but you can't really see from that angle where his foot was.
Wow. There will be instant replay in one year. Bank on it. Problem is, it will suck for a while.
Ow
Madson is a fucking pussy. I hope that really lights a fire for game 3.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that was unintentional
[887] FWIW, the replay on FOX showed the same.
Of course, Posada was safe at 2nd too - so I guess it evens out.
WTF Madson? You want to get torched by A-Rod? I guess so.
Dear Tex & A-Rod,
Please find your chakras now and be the ball. BE THE BALL!
Love,
Ty Webb
Ouch. Now A-Rod makes them pay, because he is strong like bull.
Thanks for hitting Tex...asshole!
[885] He made a snap throw, I don't think he heard a call even made. besides, it would've been easier to just run back to first if he made thew catch, Posada was almost to second and it was a force out at first if it's a catch.
hit it out alex
How bout Barbarino being called out for interference? We'll take it, Teix. TIme for your first tack on World Series hr Alex. : )
breakout time Al
A Rod..deploy the A Bomb...please!
Ok Alex....pick him up.....get that series hit.
aceves?
Leadoff man on - go get me a run or two, Yankees!
[885] that doesn't make sense william. if howard knew the ball was called an out on the fly, then why the fuck would he go to 2nd? the only reason he would go to 2nd is if he thought (knew) he hadn't caught it. the only reason to go to 2nd is to get a double play on a ball that hit the ground.
A-Rod had one swing and miss in the ALCS. One.
[901] All possible, but maybe he was throwing to 2B to double off Melky? In other words, you don't know, and I don't think it makes sense to start guessing.
horseshit call
Ooh, not crazy about that call, can we please see it again, FOX? No? Okay.
Oh no...Arod has definitely cooled off now.
Yeah, A-Rod isn't the only guy who didn't like the call. Outside, ump.
These umps are not distinguishing themselves.
Fuck.
On the black, a little high (usually), but a heckuva pitch.
[912] But exactly the pitch he drives out the other way.
Alright Kate. What the fuck did you do the poor guy? 0-8. 6 k's. Brutal.
That's a strike?
I want to see where that pitch was located on the A-Rod K
Good thing they brought the best umps to the Series, as publicized.
[910] I think he's only had one so far in the series too. He keeps going down looking.
[915] Overhead view on ESPN feed showed that it caught black...or at least that's what it looked like to me.
[921] Gameday has it on the corner, nevermind
Alex is gonna get it going in Philly, just you wait 'enry 'iggins
ok Alex does look crossed up...I hope film and a day off can cure that.
Apparently, the scouting report on the Yankees is throw mid-80s pitches down the middle.
there you go robbie
Going back to The Jerk thread. All I need is Yes, and David Cone, and Kenny Singleton. And that's all I need. And not having 10+ k's for another night. Holy shit.
[923] I don't mean one swinging strikeout- he only missed one pitch, period, that he swung at during the entire ALCS.
I'd love to PH Swisher here, but I've just lost so much confidence in him.
C'mon Gardy..break this shit open!
Oooh, the Yankees tease me. Show me, Gritner!
[911] william, your argument only makes sense for the call yesterday, even though i think you argued against it. howard acted as if the ball had short hopped him. he started towards 1st but then thought better of it, trying to get the double play. it makes absolutely no sense that he'd go to 2nd to double off melky when he was well on his way to doubling off posada. he made that throw to get posada on a force because he knows his arm isn't good enough to get him on the tag for the 2nd out.
[930] you know i'll second that :}
way too damn many k's
Is Kurt Russell available to hit?
when's the last time Eastwood made a movie that wasn't blatant Oscar bait?
[932] PH Hinkske and put Swish in on defense?
Why is Garner batting????
[931] It was a bad joke on my part.
IS it on the corner. REALLY? Oh, Brett. At least go down swinging. sigh
[940] Because Girardi has banished Swisher and conceded offense for defense...except that he has kept rubber arm Johnny in LF.
Damn country joe west is a fat slob.
[935] First off, you are talking about what Howard did in this play. If there is replay, it would apply to every such play. So, even if you could confidently guess what Howard would have done, there is no guarantee that would be the case in other situations.
Furthermore, even in this play, while it may look like Howard thought it was a short hop, you don't know. The umpire called out, so it is reasonable to think Howard acted accordingly. I'd rather live with blown calls, then having another umpire try to recontruct the inning.
Tough night for Alex.
[938] Dude, don't talk about Clint!
[941] Got ya :)
Gardner is really a bad hitter.
what a surprise - just drag bunt next time
Okay. Come on Mo
Everyone light a candle for Mo....let's end it here and head down to Shitholeylvania (c)
So, having Hinske on the roster for the WS is just like not having him on the roster for ALCS.
[93] Forgot about Hinske. That would have worked out too.
Well shit. Alright Mo, do your thing and let's finish it.
Okay, three HUGE outs, here Mo. One at a time. Strike at a time.
I think I need some whiskey for the 9th.
[951] Definitely agree on that!
[938] Dirty Harry probably, but Clint's earned his dalliances.
[952] if he is not the 2nd pinch hitter in philly - i will throw girardi's binder at him
[953] It's easy to forget about him. In fact, the manager seems to have.
2 runs is too safe. Reverse Jinx says Howard crushes one out to lead off the 9th.
[945] on plays when that actually would make sense (like yesterday when matsui was caught off 1st base possibly because the 2b umpire had already incorrectly called him out at 2nd), i'd totally agree with you. but here howard acted exactly as if the ball had been short hopped. you aren't making any sense. there's no way howard goes to 2nd with his shitty arm if he thinks he caught the ball. he was trying to get a double play because he knew he hadn't caught it.
[962] I think I am making a lot of sense. I am sorry you don't agree, but I don't think you have to.
[951] That's on the west coast right?
RBJ if you're here can we get a Mo blessing?
Let's go Mo! 3 outs! You can get this one.
3 outs from a tied series..I have faith in Mo!
How the hell did that ball go over the dugout?
Ooh
[963] you aren't making sense because you keep saying that we don't know what howard would have done if he thought he hadn't made the catch. but we do know! because he did it! there's no other reason to have done what he did!
Siddown beegboy!
sit your fat ass down howard
WHOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOO. Umps sucking for us is GOOD. : )
Fox loves pointing out bad calls for the Phils. Amazing.
Howard beat the censors on that one
we'll take it.
and fuck off timmy and buck with parsing that pitch but none to the yanks
No different than the pitch called a strike on A-Rod, so he's consistently bad at least.
Believe in the power of MO!
[972] to be fair, they did make a pretty big deal out of the short hop to howard. i haven't seen them highlight any of the questionable balls and strike calls that went against us though.
[963] All replay systems run the same risk: in most cases we don't *know* what the players would have done if a play was called Y instead of X. In baseball, except for HRs and ground rule doubles, it is likely that players will stop running when a mistaken call is made, or fielders throw to a different base, etc.
That is no reason NOT to employ replay to try to at least partially rectify a play. At the very least, such a play could be ruled a "do over." It's not perfect, but it's a start.
No replay system will be perfect, but that does not justify making perfect the enemy of improvement.
Once pitchers are batting I think that Mr. Hinske will get some ABs
okay. one more Mo
OK, there's two!
okay 1 more
So lazy.
smooth Robbie
Nice grab Robbie!!
Nicely done, Robby!
[978] Yeah, I'm mostly annoyed about replays on balls/strikes. Yes has me spoiled. : )
1 MORE MO!!!
Praise be to Mo!
Let's get down to Philly and kick their fucking asses....Spit on their cars too.
Oof...nice hit.
That's bad.
3- 29. FUCK YOU IBANEZ
so much for keeping gardner's defense in!
[989] spoke too soon.....
[989] Shh.
oh no oh no oh no
Where the heck was Gardner playing? That looked like a pop/flair.
Stairs does not worry me.
[964] We are one out away from a Mo Blessing.
That was a scary pitch
I tried to type I HATE MATT STAIRS but word press said it was a repeat. So I had to adjust.
One More Strike.
One out, Mo. Let's go!
Stairs really is an ugly fuck
Phillies have made Mo work for it.
[997] he was either in right center, totally fooled, or didn't really run hard after it
38 pitches. Significance?
FOR REAL THIS TIME:
**Praise be to Mo!
**Let’s get down to Philly and kick their fucking asses….Spit on their cars too.
Come on Mo, finish this game. YES!!!!!
Yes!!
Yankees are back in this thing!
Hell. Fucking. YES!
We have ourselves a World Series!
ALL RISE. Man 39 pitches or so. YIKES.
G.O.A.T.
YES! Folks, this series is tied.
Let's go pound 'em in Philly!
[1007] he gets a day off tomorrow...I think he's okay....He's Mo.
[1007] No, not with the off day tomorrow.
Praise be to Mo - and thanks for a victory on my birthday, Yanks! Just get us 3 more, huh?
struck his fat ugly ass out
praise be to mo
great work aj and thanks for the hrs matsui and tex
Great job by Mo.
Yankees need another reliever to step up in this series.
Yes! All praise be to Mo!!
Good night all!!! look forward to the a.m. wrap up.
The problem is Mo can't do this again other than maybe a game 7.
Great job by Burnett.
I know I'm new to posting here guys, but you're the best. Banter Rules!
someone pie aj burnett please
[1018] and happy b'day shaun - your child hood dream came true!!! :}
FUCK YEAH
[1024] Agreed!!!
Night Banter Folk --- nice to win a game....
Ok, if we take game 3 it all turns around and they'll start feeling all the pressure....Andy v. Hamels....I think we can do it....then game 4 would be CC v. Blanton
BUT
If we win game 3 I would be shocked if Manuel doesn't pitch Cliff Lee....Just a thought
[1017, 1018] He was referencing the Bloody Sock guy's blog.
[1022] or game 5. or game 6 if we're up 3-2.
And the CO2 in the atmosphere goes up with a collective exhale of everyone at the banter.
Mo is GOD
Looking far ahead: AJ on regular rest, in game 6 at NYS (with Molina)?
[1033] I think a lot hinges on games 3 and 4.
[1033] i still say short rest with posada. it's between 2 things burnett claims to like: molina as his catcher and short rest. i'd go with short rest. i do not want to see gaudin at all.
[1022] Mo can go up to 4 innings in games 3-5. And 4 innings in games 6-7. Chances are they will need him in 3 games.
the fox local news is acting like jay-z is a new artist or something
[969] Again, I am making sense. Sorry if it hasn't convinced you. You may think you know what Howard would have done if the ump signaled safe, but you are just guessing. The fact is that Howard's throw came AFTER the out call.
[979] Replay wont be perfect, but for plays like these, I think it is too imperfect.
I wonder if the Phillies blogs are killing their hitters like the banter was killing the Yanks yesterday.
One more game like this from the O and my foot might go through the TV.
[1035] Is it worth gambling big time and starting AJ in the NL park with Molina, but only giving Molina 1 AB, or even PH in the 3rd inning in Molina's first AB? Would this "trick" AJ?
[1038] well then howard wasn't making sense.
and just because we saw the umpire make the call doesn't mean howard knew it.
[1036] Mo needs to pitch as often as he can! I am very concerned abotu JobaPhil..and if Robertson comes in he has to be told to only throw fastballs..that Ibanez hit yesterday was a mistake..
[1038] Replay wont be perfect, but for plays like these, I think it is too imperfect.
Fair enough...we just differ on where to draw that line.
[1036] Now that's just crazy talk. : )
[1042] Right, maybe he knew and maybe he didn't. That's exactly my point. Whoever makes that decision would be guessing.
Mo WOULD have perfect teeth
[1033] I think so. I think I would pitch Gaudin in Philly. He's never really faced them (2.3 IP I believe) and he's not a horrible flyball guy, or a horrible HR guy (63 in just under 600 innings). Of course, this will be an easier decision if the Yanks win game 3.
[1025] Thanks ms october - its a nice feeling. =)
[1041] well let's see where we are after sunday. i'd consider molina for an ab or 2, but would obviously prefer posada.
[1044] Exactly. I am not suggesting it is clear cut. I would advocate more replay, but it would still be very limited.
[1046] but again, why would howard go to 1st base to get 1 out and not to get 2? it doesn't make sense. the only way to make sense of it is to assume he thought (correctly) that he hadn't caught the ball.
[1049] I totally prefer Posada...but I am dealing with what seems like the present managerial realities:
1. Molina will catch AJ
2. Johnny is a better defender than Swisher
3. Hinske is not on the roster
Wow, thank GOODNESS they won. I still feel all jammed up.
LOL
[1041] I would be inclined to go with AJ in the Bronx. That gives you Andy, 2 CC and 1 AJ at home. All four are pretty favorable.
[1051] Why would Howard do anything? All good questions, but the fact remains we can't know for sure. As I mentioned, he could have been throwing to 2B to double off Melky because he didn't notice where Posada was. The fielders actions are not always going to be easy to read, and even when they are, it is still just a guess.
I can accept that you are ok with someone filling in those blanks. I am not.
[1039] williamphi23 is pissed about them taking all of those first pitch fastballs on Philly Banter.....
I can finally get some restful sleep :)
Once I come off this adrenaline high that is...
Has AJ earned his contract yet? He has now pitched great in 1 post season start, very good in 2 others and solidly in a fourth (I don't hold the 2 runs in the 7th of ALCS Game 5 against him).
In Philly:
Game #5: Gaudan vs Lee : Philly heavily favored
Game #4: CC vs their #4: Yankees heavily favored
Game #3: Andy vs Hamels: ???
As Torre says, Game #3 is usually the most important game. If we win with Andy, we are sitting pretty. If we lose, it will be a very tough.
Saturday Night. Be here or be Square. It's gonna be a tense night!
Hell yes. And ugh. Rough game. The umps continue to suck on an enormous egg.
I'm sorry, but all of you who don't like AJ pitching to Molina may need to sit and spin. He just saved the whole damn season.
Maybe, just maybe, this combination works better.
That was a dominant performance by AJ.
[1056] That guy complains about everything.
Paulie O looks more like Screech than ever.
[1060] It also helps that Girardi has managed the PHing of Posada well. He has been able to take advantage of the best of both worlds.
[1051] I am so glad not to be in the middle of this debate, but am following closely because I am trying hard to understand what on earth Williamnyy23 could possibly mean. Are you saying Howard was possibly influenced in his tactical decision by hearing the ump call the play and then after hearing that Posada was out STILL chose to throw to second? I'm really confused. It's like the two of you are making two separate points which are opposed but not adequately in diametric opposition.
Everything 51cq24 has said makes perfect sense to me, by the way.
[1062] I seem to agree with william *almost* as much as I argue with him. William, the other night I wanted to toss a drink in your face--now I'd likely buy you a few. It's fun, man.
if lee doesn't start game 3, i'd be more ok with going to gaudin in game 5 against lee, since i don't expect burnett on short rest to beat lee on regular rest anyway.
[1051] i didn't really have a problem with gardner hitting for himself in the 8th. i don't think the tiny chance that hinske gets on base is worth giving up gardner's defense. of course, then gardner seemed to give up on a pretty easy fly ball.
[1062] williamphi20 complains even more though :}
[1061] indeed - i know i am hard on him but he stepped up huge tonight
[1065] Williamphi23 says mind your own business.
[1058] He earned his contract this year for sure. We'll have to see to what degree the later years pay off.
Man, I'm exhausted and it's not even midnight.
[1063] seriously, doesn't he look straight up cartoonish the older he gets?
[1065] I am saying that a fielder COULD be influenced by the umpire's decision. In this scenario, Howard MAY have decided to throw to 2B to double off Melky (who was standing on 3rd) because he knew he just had to get the ball to the Rollins. HAD the umpire ruled no catch, Howard MAY not have wanted to risk a throw to 2B, and instead just taken the out at the bag. That scenario is very possible.
51cq24's take on what Howard WAS thinking seems very plausible to me, but that doesn't mean it IS correct. Because replay would apply to all cases (whether the fielder's actions are obvious or not), you have to be aware that using it will involve recreating the inning bases on guess work. I don't think that is worthwhile. Others think it is.
[1066] At least I am not predictable (something I've been able to accomplish without flipping a coin :)
[1064] I do agree that it's a scary proposition to play Molina in an NL park. However, if I'm setting the pitching, I go Pettitte Game 3, Gaudin Game 4, if you desperately need a win in Game 5, you have your ace, CC, on the hill, trying to get you back to NYS, with AJ and Pettitte, where both are strong. I'm hopeful for Pettitte in Game 3, and want to see a Gaudin-esque miracle, anyway.
[1058] Yup. I logged in mainly to give major props to AJ. Brilliant game tonight, especially - and no-one (*cough*Cliff*cough*) can say "oh well he's always had it easy pitching with the Yanks ahead in the series. In fact, he pitched his best tonight, when they needed it most.
Does that mean he doesn't throw a stinker next time? Absolutely not! He's still unpredictable but damn that was some nasty stuff tonight.
And kudos to Pedro, I gotta say. The Yankee bats are partially putrid, but still.
A Rod please come back to us!
[1067] i don’t think the tiny chance that hinske gets on base is worth giving up gardner’s defense.
I generally agree, except--
1. Hinske does hit well against RHP; I'm not sure his chance of getting on base was only a tiny amount greater than Gardner's.
2. There were runners on the corners, no? So the issues was not just getting a player on base (I would NEVER have PH with two outs and no one one), but increasing the chance of adding another run. I imagine, but I could be wrong, that a third run added to lead would outweigh greatly the difference in defense between an OF of Damon, Gardner, Melk v. Damon, Melky, Swisher (who would have LIDR for Hinske).
Girardi won't criticize Jeter publicly, even about that bunt. Good for him.
Girardi is non-committal on the role Matsui will play in Philly.
Have they changed that hit to an error yet? Whenever I see a replay I think ... "error".
[1079] He really can't play defense. What makes it less likely is you'd have to bench Damon, who can go off at any moment. If you could somehow replace Swisher, it might make sense, but Damon or Matsui in RF could spell disaster.
[1055] the thing is, as we've discussed previously, i agree with you that there are situations where replay is tough. for example, had howard gone straight to 1st there for the double play, and then replay shows it was a short hop, you're stuck because presumably howard would have gone to 2nd had it not been called a catch, and then you don't know if he would have made that play. but in this instance, howard did exacly what he would have done had the call be made correctly.
i also agree with monkeypants that whatever rules they make for replay would be preferable to having bad calls stand. in the example i just described above, however, it would be very tough. the only answer is computerizing everything, so that a correct call can be made immediately. kind of like how in tennis there's a loud beep on a let.
[1079] Tough call. If Swisher were not totally crapping out, I would simply start Swish and bench Matsui. But now, do you risk Matsui in the field. Might have to.
The Yankees have now one a playoff series, an AL pennant and a World Series game. There really is now just one more thing left.
Can we just comment again on the umpiring? And yes, there were TONS of balls that were called strikes, both ways. But, guess what? FUCK YOU, FOX, I mean right up there with a pointy stick for showing like a 9 to 1 ratio of those calls when they went for the Yankees, with their stupid little box. Fifteen yard flag on fox for selective use of your freaking box!
And the umps on the bases- you SMELL. It's ridiculous.
I just realized..out starters have held the vaunted "AL-Style NL lineup" to 3 runs in two games..and one was a gift run..
We are going to win this series!
[1081] In your estimation, who is worse on defense: Matsui or Hinske?
Yeah bad calls at the plate went both ways. And the field too, for that matter. I have no idea what Fox is up to - biting the hand that feeds?
[1063] No way!! Screech from Saved by the bell??
[1086] Absolutely!!!!!
[1082] We are kind of talking past each other. Here is where the problem is: Do you think it is possible that with one out, Howard might decide to just take the out at 1B if he knew it was called no catch? I think that is a definite possibility, especially considering Howard's Giambi-like throwing at times.
Kepner:
[1077] well it's a close call, but as for your first point, hinske has hit well against righties, but he also hasn't swung a bat in a very long time. as for your second, i only said get on base because that's the only thing he could have done. in order to score that run, hinske has to not only get on base but actually get a hit (or get on base and then have the next hitter get on base).
I've predicted some negative things for the Yankees that unfortunately came true. But now I have a positive feeling. I think this game and the way it played out changed things a lot. I don't think the games from her on in will be like this. I see some solid wins for the Yanks in the near future. I wouldn't be surprised if they won the next two.
woooo hooooo! no way i'm ever going to read this thread lol. I hope y'all enjoyed the game. I caught it in burps and pauses while partying with friends! GO YANKEES!!
[1073] Ok, ok. At least it's a fair point of view.
Even though I don't agree with you on why Howard did what he did, I happen to agree with your conclusion which seems to be the more important point.
[1093] I agree, close call. I tend to be aggressive when it comes to PH in run-scoring opportunities like that. But it could go either way.
[1091] i think it's very possible he would have only gone to 1st for the sure out. but by that same logic (giambiesque arm), it makes absolutely no sense to throw to 2nd to get the 2nd out when he was already halfway towards 1st base, and obviously knew posada was nowhere near it. so yes, he could have gone to 1st for the sure out, but he didn't. but he DEFINITELY would have gone to 1st for the sure 2nd out. and he didn't. which to me means he thought (knew) that the ball had hit the ground.
[1094] we can only hope.
[1086] Keep in mind, though, that was CC and AJ. It's more than likely that the Phillies can win the series without beating either one of those once.
[1099] I trust Andy P more than Cole Hamels in Game 3 though..Hamels has been off recently. And A-Rod & Tex HAVE to start hitting.. (or at least making contact..)
Mo and Pedro, in their own way, remind us once again the baseball is more of an art than a science.
[1098] Unless he didn't realize Posada was far off the bag, but did notice Melky at 3B. These are all guesses though. We can't know for sure what Howard would have done...we just know what he did do, and what the umpire did call.
William - I haven't followed the whole thing, so can you help me with a simple thing? If Howard thinks he's caught the ball, why does he do anything other than step on first for the easiest double play ever?
[1099] well if cc pitches games 4 and 7 and aj pitches either game 5 or 6, there's no way the phillies can win without winning one of those games. but if you mean they can beat the bullpen, obviously. i actually have a good feeling about the bullpen from here on though for some reason. they're all due to not suck.
[1103] Because he sees Melky standing on 3B, but not Posada running to 2B. Or, he forgets there is an out and thinks he is going for a triple play. or, he is stupid.
[1104] I'm not sure how I feel about trying to ride CC through 4 and 7.
Btw, on A Rod's last K, that was a ball, right? We wouldn't know, of course, BECAUSE FOX CONVENIENTLY DIDN'T SHOW THEIR FUCKING LITTLE BOX on that one, DID THEY????!!! Jerks/
[1102] i'll allow this, that we don't know 100%. but i do think that in this instance we know very, very close to 100%, because any other explanation for why he would throw to 2nd seem very outlandish. i don't see how he could possibly have seen melky so far off 2nd without seeing posada so far off 1st. especially since he initially started back towards 1st. and i certainly don't see how he would have trusted his arm to get a crazy (and unnecessarily difficult) double play when he wouldn't have trusted his arm to get a traditional one.
[1105] stupidity is the only real alternate explanation. if he saw melky off 2nd he couldn't miss posada off 1st. and if he wanted to turn a triple play, he would have stepped on 1st too, as both bases would have been force outs.
[1107] The key phrase is "in this instance". We wont always be that sure though, and you can't replay that play only sometimes.
[1105] Ok. A little funny, but ok. Keeping in mind Posada displaces a lot of air when he moves.
[1106] I’m not sure how I feel about trying to ride CC through 4 and 7.
I like it, a lot.
Btw, on A Rod’s last K, that was a ball, right?
The overhead replay on ESPN showed that it caught the plate. I can't speak for how high it was. Didn't gameday say it was a strike?
i do like pedro, but i don't really like this new pious version of pedro. who does he think he is, mo?
[1106] it was a strike, it just missed the intended location by a foot so it looked bad. however, there were plenty of called strikes on the yankees that weren't very close, even according to gameday's fuzzy borders.
[1109] you can’t replay that play only sometimes.
Why not? Surely the umps could be given some leeway in determining the reviewability of a play, as they do in the NFL.
Great press conferene by Pedro...and excellent point about the hiddeous behavior of some fans.
[1109] well i agree that on some plays it would be very tricky, which is why i'd prefer to work on the technology to use computers instead of human umps. my only point here is that on this play it really wouldn't be tricky.
[1114] Do you really want an umpire determining when a play can be reviewed based on what he thinks the fielder was thinking? I know I definitely do not.
Also, the NFL doesn't give the referees the kind of leeway that would be involved in this case.
Pedro's press conferences are among the few must-watch postgame pressers in all of sports.
A+ to him for his jacket selection, and he's 100% right when he says if he had been a Yankee (I'm assuming he means in his prime years) he would've been King of New York.
According to Lohud:
Even the great ones screw up sometimes. But its rarer when they admit to it.
[1119] All is forgiven, Captain. You took your medicine like a man, and you learned life's two greatest rules: Never rat out your fiends, and always keep your mouth shut.
What the fuck did Pedro say? Fuck that little retard. The most influential player in Yankee Stadium? Fuck you, you instigating piece of shit. The SQUIRREL was more influential than you have ever been. In pretty much every big game you've ever pitched at the Stadium, you've been the LOSER. So if that's the kind of attention, cough, excuse me, influence you're seeking, have at it.
Was he talking about mango trees again? Yes, if bizarre and ridiculous = must see, ok.
[1119] If Jeter is willing to say it, then no one else has to.
[1113 et al.] You guys are right - pitch fx has it as a strike.
[117] I would prefer they give the umps leeway to address mistaken calls with serious repercussions, such as this one. Even if it is, as I said, something as simple as a "do over" call.
BTW something somewhat similar happened in a NY Giants game a few weeks ago. The Giants made an interception that was initially blown dead as an incomplete pass, though the Giants player had a clear path to the endzone and would have scored (in fact, he ran to the endzone and a few opposing players tried to pursue). The play was reviewed. The ball was given to the giants at the point of the interception, but everything after that point was erased.
You would argue that the play should not have been reviewed at all, because we don;t know what all of the players were thinking or intending to do at the point the bad call was made. But I say that this compromise solution (give the giants the ball, but call the play dead at that point) was a more just ruling. Perfect? No, but better then keeping the mistaken ruling.
returning to the game tonight, I see no reason why such a play should not be reviewable, with some sort of compromise ruling allowable.
So what ridiculous whining about the fans did Pedro indulge in?
[1125] IOW, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
[1125] i agree with you that a compromise is better than nothing. but there are definitely some really tricky plays. like if howard goes to 1st there for the dp, how do you determine what to do once the replay shows it was a short hop? seems unfair to give the yanks 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs when he would have likely gone to 2nd for the dp had the catch not been called a catch. on the other hand, you can't assume a dp (error rules!).
[1125] the difference is that in football a play is "blown dead" by the whistle. The issue there wasn't that the refs sought a compromise but that when the pick was made the referees had assumed it hit the ground (but it had actually hit the heel of the cowboy's receiver) and blown the play dead. Plays aren't really blown dead in baseball.
[1125] That's the rule though. What rule would you use in this situation. Give the Phillies no outs? That doesn't seem fair to the Phillies. Give them an out, but move the runners back to 1st and 2nd? That doesn't seem fair to the Yankees.
I can live with a mistake on a bang-bang call, but I would never accept an umpire recreating a game in a way that is unfair.
How great is Mo. He basically said that because Utley got the count to 3-2, he had to give him a pitch that he might be able to hit.
[1128] The rules *already* accommodate this---yas you say, you can't assume a DP. The rules also already anticipate leeway for the umps to make judgment calls, like where a runner "would have gotten to" on ground rule doubles (though it's never called that way).
[1126] He talked about a fan who was spouting profanity while holding his young daughter.
[1121] Pedro is super cool. Probably the coolest Yankee villain ever. His slow walk of the mound tonight, soaking in the booing was classic and Steve McQueen cool. Probably his last time ever to pitch at any Yankee stadium. I wish the fans had given him a hand.
[1121] you leave the foul squirrel out of this!!
[1130] That’s the rule though. What rule would you use in this situation. Give the Phillies no outs? That doesn’t seem fair to the Phillies.
Huh? In this case that would have been exactly fair, because that is what they got.
Give them an out, but move the runners back to 1st and 2nd? That doesn’t seem fair to the Yankees.
But surely more fair than the double play that was called. So yes, that might not be a bad compromise.
[1132] Umpires have no leeway on groundrule doubles...it's two bases periods. Umpires only have leeway on interference (fan reaches over), which has to be the case because otherwise an unfair advantage could be obtained by the home team.
[1136] It's not fair because Howard's actions could have been dictated by the out call. As we've beaten to death, we don't really know what Howard would have done, even if we think we are pretty sure.
[1135] I loved that squirrel.
[1133] It's pretty rank hypocrisy to do everything you can to incite the opposing fans and then point out examples of their bad behavior.
I'm sorry - Pedro may have had a great career, but he's a blemish in my shorts compared to some of the INFLUENTIAL folks who have been at Yankee Stadium. Like, say, the Pope, Ali, Ruth, Gehrig, Joe D., Mantle - I know it's just his brand of stupid is funny, but still, fuck him.
[1136] If they used the 1st and 2nd, one out compromise, everyone would be complaining about how the bad call cost the Yankees a chance at the basesloaded with no outs. Nothing would be solved.
[1139] What did Pedro do to incite the fans? Pitch well? Also, you can taunt Pedro without resorting to disgusting behavior.
Pedro is an all-time great (maybe the best pitcher of all time), and I really appreciate his career.
[1141] The fact that you don't think his pre-game comments were intended to incite says everything about how differently you and I process things, places, and people.
[1129] Right, but the rule itself is a built in compromise, and a modification of the old rule which was "no replays on any inadvertent whistle." Basically, in football they simply pick a point in the play (in this case, the whistle) and then impose a solution at that point (team x gets the interception but no other action is allowed).
I see this as little different from a rule in baseball saying that the reviewed play is stopped at the point of the mistaken call (in this case, the short hop), and then compromise ruling imposed at that point with all subsequent action eliminated. I would have no problem with the a you-can't-assume-the-DP notion being invoked...for example, the umps could rule that the runner is out at 1B (assuming a reasonable defensive play) and the runners advance one base.
Or, a do over is declared, and everyone returns to their bases, the batter goes back to hit again with the same count.
The rules already allow for the umpire to make judgments on a player's intent when calling obstruction and the like. So I see no problem with the umps using replay to determine what a player's intent was, which could help determine what the compromise ruling would be.
[1140] Nothing would be solved.
i don't believe that for a second. Surely the Yankees would be happier with 1st and 2nd and one out, than with third and two outs. Or, it could be treated as a balk, where the aggrieved team could choose the outcome of the play or the compromise ruling.
Whatever the case, I disagree that everyone would complain about a system that would at least begin to address clearly blown calls.
Or they could rule what you keep ignoring in my suggestions: a do over.
Cmon all youse guys, we won game 2! stop arguing about the rules and let's make some Pedro jokes!
[1137] But doesn't the umpire have to determine what base the runner occupied when the ball bounced over the fence or when a ball is thrown into the stand (a la rule 7.05)? So in theory, if the runner on 1B has already passed 2B (hes running with 2 outs) and then the ball lands fair and bounces out, the ump can award the lead runner home...or at least that is what I thought.
[1146] I'm in a great mood, hence my willingness to debate the minutia of baseball rules. If the Yanks had lost, not so much....
[1139] yeah, I think you fail to realize just how historically great a ballplayer Pedro is....think of a more dominating right-handed Sandy Koufax with a longer career. OK, he's a diva. He's earned it.
I think of Pedro in the line of the great soul men: Marvin Gaye, Al Green, people like that.....
[1147] Understood. It's friday afternoon here, so am counting down the hours till can rush home, pick up some Guinness, then watch the whole game on replay.
For what it's worth, I can't recall ever seeing Girardi calmer in a press conference than he was tonight.
[1148] By mentioning Pedro in the same breath as Al Green, you just made my soul cry.
Oh, and as much as Pedro is a genius on the mound, he is a gigantic retard off of it.
HELL FUCKIN' YEAH!!! WAHOO!!!
i saw almost all the game from the stage. ...even though the singers' big head was blocking my view, haha! set breaks had me really antsy, staring at the tv. there were actually a coupla other Yankee fans there, so that was nice.
let's hope for 2 outta 3 in Philthy...at least!!!
LET'S GO YAN-KEES !! !!!
You could see the game from the stage? That's awesome.
Countin gdown, 3 hours till can get home to put on the replay! AJ really brought it tonight.
[1154] well, i saw the game on the TV from the stage! : )
now, i hear Iron Maiden on my ipod! : )
i hope i can see the game from the stage on Saturday, though i'll catch the first hour here. i'll be home for it Sunday...
Watching the game tonight via mlb.com instead of on tv here, so it's FOX instead of ESPN with O'Brien & Sutcliffe...seriously, I don't know how you people can deal with Joe & Timmy for 9 innings..it's excruciating..