Jeremy Bonderman vs Dustin Moseley and the ball should be flying around the big mallpark in the Bronx. Couple of days ago, my wife goes, “Who is that guy?” Doseley? Muttley?”
Here’s hoping the Yanks get the last laugh tonight.
Let’s go Yan-Kees.
Saturday
November 16, 2024
Since 2002
"This ain't football. We do this every day."
--Earl Weaver
--Earl Weaver
Close.
Jo Po wit da good throw!
nice throw, Po! Now I expect you to pick up a stolen base tonight.
That's plainly obvious.
I'm not sure that's the approach I would take with Gardner...or was that on purpose in revenge for Gardy's "clean" slide?
As soon as Gardner nearly broke that dude's leg the other night I thought things would turn ugly. Should be over now. Mosely ain't plunking anyone.
Tampa sweeps Texas; MRIs for Arod and Andy; Things are no so good in Yankeeland.
Whoot-whoot. Awesome, Teix!
See what happens when Gardy runs. However, two run, first inning HR...
Rocket Robbie!
back to back hrs sure are sweet!
[6] Guillen deserves all the blame for his own injury. Like most inexperienced 2B, they fail to realize that they can't pivot with a stiff leg while turning the double play.
yeah baby!
[12] I don't agree with that for one second. I know you are adamantly against the homeplate collisions. I think those are part of baseball. That Cleveland kid was fully at blame for his season ending injury. But Gardner's slide was fucking bush. If anyone went in to Jeter or Cano llike that I'd lose my shit.
12) Maybe...I think Gardy gets some credit for going in late and hard and basically aiming for contact. Whatever, hopefully this silliness is over and the teams can get back to playing baseball.
damn miggy can crush a ball.
[14] We'll have to disagree, but apparently Jim Leyland said it was a clean play. Breaking up a double play is part of the game. Gardner didn't try to slam into Guillen. He tried to force him to leave his feet so he couldn't make a throw. Being an inexperienced 2B, Guillen didn't get out of the way. That's on him and the Tigers infield coach for not preparing him to play the position.
HR Derby in the Bronx.
17) managers usually say that the crush the catcher play is clean...that doesn't legitimize it any more in my eyes. Same in this case. So we too will agree to disagree here.
[19] The crush the catcher play is clean because MLB allows it (even though it is technically against the rules). Sliding into a base is always clean. Unless you think runners are not supposed to slide into the bag hard on a double play then I don't see what Gardner did wrong. If Guillen was an expereinced 2B, he wouldn't have gotten hurt. 2B is the most dangerous position on the field after catcher, so players need to be prepared when they play there.
[17] Agreed. : )
Although he also said he stood in there and took it like a man. So admitting it was bush would be.......womanly?
That's such a well worded survey question: the most historic in history. Nice.
[22] It's downright historiographical. And by the way, [3] Jorgie snagged a base yesterday, didn't he?
No one wants to revisit this Jeter dp, but watch where the hell Gardner is where he begins his "slide." It's Ty Cobb-like dirty.
http://tinyurl.com/24la2o7
[22] It's repetitiously redundant.
20) i think Gardner intentionally slid into the fielder at 2B with no legitimate attempt to slide to the bag, hard or otherwise, i don't know if that is against the rules, though I suspect it is...but if it is not, it should be (in my opinion). And in any case, I think it was a bit dirty.
Bonderman has an 87 mph fastball. Am I remembering wrong, or didn't it used to be a lot faster?
[24] If you pause it on contact, Guillen steps toward the runner. Gardner actually makes contact with his leg in front of the bag. That's even more on Guillen then I originally thought.
[24] The slide is also a very un-Cobb like spikes down. It looks as if Gardner folded his feet under himself on contact, which isn't the posture of someone trying to hurt the 2B. If anything, had Gardner gone in spikes up, like Cobb, he would have made contact before the throw was released.
Unless you think runners are not supposed to slide into the bag hard on a double play then I don’t see what Gardner did wrong. If Guillen was an expereinced 2B, he wouldn’t have gotten hurt. 2B is the most dangerous position on the field after catcher, so players need to be prepared when they play there.
I think blame falls on both parties. Guillen set his plant with a stiff leg iin front of the bag, the worst possible way to do it.
Gardner went in very late *and* really high. He did slide to the side, but he deliberately hooked Guillen with his arm, high on Guillen's leg.
Guillen couldn't have avoided that slide with *jet boots* (though he likely would have avoided an injury, at least to his knee).
If Gardner had gone in merely late and had used a traditional "take-out" slide (i.e. going low to force the jump), it's not certain that Guillen could have come off his plant and jumped Gardner, but I think he would have had a much better chance.
Oops!
[29] I knew you'd say it was not Cobb like b/c it Gardner wasnt' spikes high.
In any event, folding his feet under himself on contact looks to me like Gardner cannonballing into Guillen's knees. Dirty. Dirty. Dirty. This is my last comment on this b/c we could not be any further in our views. Now if Scutaro had been the shorstop........ : )
Hi folks
I walked in to find that oops double ...
It'd be nice if Teixeira is beginning a hot streak.
Yes, FEAR ROB, FEAR HIM.
[34[
Teix *is* 2-for-2 when hitting during a rainbow ...
[32] I'll let it go too...no reason we have to agree on it.
[36] Well, he is Irish.
No?
Strikes called at the nipples, don't see those too often.
Just be consistent with those, Blue ...
[38] Portuguese.
Bonderman has been talking about hanging them up after this year. He's been through a lot in terms of arm issues, has money saved up ...
[40] jk.
[41] That's right, I remember that now.
Oh, good, he has money saved up. I'm glad he hasn't spent $40 million.
[39] There were a bunch last night, too. I'm all for calling those consistenty. Just another thing that would help speed up the pace. It would destroy every batter's approach for a good long while, though.
30) But if the fielders were allowed to wear jetboots, THAT would be awesome!
[43] I wonder if MLB players are any better, on average, at keeping their money than NBA players?
It sure seems like you don't hear the same number of "player X spent all of his career earnings and is totally broke" stories that you do with the NBA ...
By the way, did anyone else hear that Brett Favre is coming back this season?
[44] Yeah, not calling the high strike has long been a pet peeve of mine ... though part of that is the ex-pitcher in me ...
47) you just can't predict...oh wait, wrong sport.
[46] They can't be worse.
MLB players seem to me to be no smarter than NBA players, and in some ways they're flakier, but they don't have the arrogance. Also I feel like the baseball system gives them some time between when they're professional players and when they have huge tons of money. (Though maybe not Bryce Harper.)
[46] If true, I wonder if it's because most MLB players live in the real world until they make it big, while NBA and NFL players strike it rich out of college.
Why FUCKING PITCH TO HIM? WTF!
Uhhh ... can we just walk Cabrera?
Please?
Eeek!
Huh, that guy Cabrera is pretty good.
I cant understand why the Yankees keep pitching to Cabrera.
"That's what I like about Moseley...he put the ball over the plate..." KA-BOOM.
Was that the brilliant insight of Flash?
If the Yankees were playing well, this would be an 8-2 game.
The Yankees may have the three best fielding pitchers in baseball on their roster.
Quick, trade Pena!
I thought tha Martin was not so much protesting by playing players out of position as he was rigging it so his best batters came up in the bottom of the ninth. or at least that's what I thought I read somewhere.
Meanwhile, Peña says: fuck you, monkeypants.
Damn, I thought that was gonna be back to back triples.
2 exciting ab's.
Posada 3 SBs ..... Pena triples .... strange season ...
Yeah, this can't make Jeremy Bonderman feel good.
Meanwhile, Peña says: fuck you, monkeypants.
I'm afraid you're going to have to take a number and get in line ...
Sub-sub-optimal.
so much for the work Jeter has done with Long ... must have been Shelley Long ...
I've always found Bonderman one of the most overrated pitchers in baseball.
Put a tent on that circus!
Laideeeees annnnnnndddd gentlemennnnnnn....
http://www.partyoutfitters.com/itempics/misc/BoppCircus.mp3
FEAR ROB. FEAR HIM, JEREMY.
He would gladly have walked you, Rob.
Get through this inning, Moseley, and the rest is gravy. Everyone loves gravy.
Well that fucking blows.
So guys, I'm in the middle of planning a family trip to Cooperstown and Cleveland. Anyone on the Cleveland area know of something a 13 year old girl might enjoy?
No gravy for you.
I said GRAVY, Dustin, aren't you listening??
Do they seem to be doing more of that stupid throwing the ball back in this ballpark? I don;t remember it being as bad in the old Stadium.
[78] I agree.
It seems like something that Twins fans would do. Or maybe Cubs fans. I don't associate it with Yankee games.
Oddly enough, the Yanks' win expectancy fell only from 91% to 84% that inning.
[60] He was making a mockery of the replay.
OK, sort of kind of well done, all things considered. Now, Girardi, let's put Moseley back in his box for now and go to the BP next inning.
I mean, that half inning.
Dustin Moseley isn't a good pitcher. We all know that. That's why it is distrubing when you read Cashman say that he is doing a fine job.
[75] I don't really know Cleveland, but no doubt she would like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
I took my three teenagers to Cooperstown about a week ago, by the way. Good trip.
[84] He is what he is. I'd much rather go this route than acquire someone else's mediocrity.
[85] We're absolutely going to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, although I have a feeling the adults will appreciate it more than her.
That's my boy. Atta boy, Curtis!
Hm. Granderson's swing looks different to me.
[86] And I'd *much* rather being giving Ivan Nova a shot ...
Granderson is like a whole new hitter.
[89] Bat speed.
Is he 'motivated' when Austin Jackson and the Tigers come to town? I wonder.
[75] Standard answer would be the RRHOF, right?
[86] It's too late to acquire anything of value. My point was I'd feel better if I was certain that the Yankees knew Moseley wasn't any good, but after the Mitre experiences last season, who knows.
[47][49] :)
[87] Is the Mistake by the Lake still standing??
[95] No, it's long gone.
[87] This may be of assistance; http://wikitravel.org/en/Cleveland
[95] Nope, Cleveland Stadium stands in its place
Bat speed.
And a much quieter approach at the plate ...
[90] I don't have a problem with that. I said from the beginning that I'd much rather go internal than acquire some so so pitcher from someone else.
[96][98] I used to love watching Yanks games there in the 80s..such a massive stadium with no one in it, kind of spooky to play there I bet.
Jorge is having a very nice game on defense tonight.
[101] I imagine it was spooky, especially when the fog rolled in.
NO!
YES!!!!
81) Probably, but at the same time Campeneris was on the DL by the August replay, and Martin had already made a bunch of substitutions on defense in top of the ninth. Did he have anyone to play 2B? I'm not sure what the rules are for replaying and/or completing suspended games, but Martin may have in fact been short players for the bottom of the ninth. his machinations allowed him to PH for Guidry with Oscar Gamble in the bottom of the ninth.
I'll have to look into this a little more one of these days.
Is it asking too much for Joba to go 2? I already know this answer.
[102] he is - very nice to see it is possible.
i'd like to see the ynaks give javy a summer vacation on the 15 day dl, call up nova and see what he has. then they can use him in this spot if he does well and mosely's lighting is no longer in the bottle.
[106] I was just thinking the same thing, though I was even thinking 3.
I suppose the answer changes if Joba starts giving up runs.
I think, as a 5th starter, Moseley is fine, but I'd much rather have Nova up and working in a long relief role out of the pen than Gaudin. You could also spot Nova in, if not for Moseley, for Hughes to give him the occasional day off.
106) I bet Girardi sends him out for two. that seems to be his m.o. with his first reliever out of the pen when before he gets into the seventh/eighth inning chess match.
Pena's swinging way too hard...
[105]
the Pine Tar game boxscore
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA198307240.shtml
[75] If your willing to drive 90 minutes west there is a Cedar Point. If you're into roller coaster it's top notch.
[103] http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/past/ClevelandMunicipal.htm
107) Is Nova on the forty man roster? Looking at the sidebar, yes he is.
108) whatever Nova's or whoever's role, Gaudin simply has to go. He's wasting a roster spot right mow, not only because he is bad, but more because he is simply never used.
It's amazing more players don't mess up their ankles on first bace. I completely twisted mine in Amercian Legion one year. Ouch.
[107] As not good as Javy has been of late, this team is in no position to run with two unknowns in the rotation.
111) I already looked at that, but one would need to do a little more digging. Since the replay was completed so long after the initial game, the roster may have been different (e.g., Campy was injured, I'm pretty sure). Was mumphrey still on the team?
Anyway, I'll play around with this later.
[109] The evil genius strikes again.
OK, I was wrong...Joba out, Loogan in.
[114] He pitched in a game earlier this year, so yes.
We run the risk of Nova not being used, but then again, since he's very likely *better* than Gaudin, if Coffee Joe knew how to handle him, he'd be worth using a whole lot more often than Gaudin ...
I was just thinking (before the inning), "If the baseball gods offered me a one-run inning instead of Boone Logan here, would I take it?" And I thought, yes, but close call.
[120] Nova wasn't used the last time he was with the team, may as well save the bus/plane/train fare.
[122] Wasn't used much...
[116] But Vazquez isn't really "known" at this point either?
I mean, WTF does this "dead arm" period mean?
And how likely is it that he's going to be able to pitch out of it while, well, pitching?
I'd rather a) run him through tests and b) give him a rest (if nothing nasty comes back) for a week or ten days and give someone that a) we know is healthy, b) has been pitching *great* in AAA, c) has good stuff and d) isn't a known quantity around the league a chance to give us a spark in a couple of starts (especially if we can manage them to be against a couple of weaker teams).
[116] i think with pettite's latest set back it is clear that his status going forward is very uncertain. thus the yanks have to be prepared to use javy in the post season and since he is going through a dead arm period right now some rest might really benefit him.
i was impressed with nova when he was up, his numbers in aaa are quite good, and i think having him take 2-3 of javy's starts is worth the risk. if he does well, and mosely struggles then once javy comes back you give him mosely's starts. if he doesn't do well, then got to think of another plan.
Kerry Wood has one hold?
We finally get some runs and the bullpen wants some bedshitting. Bollocks!
Curve would've been fine had it been a bit further out.
kerry wood is much taller and leaner looking now than i remember him being before he came to the yanks (guess those pinstripes really work)
[125] I'll say what I said when Girardi started over resting the regulars. We still have to make the playoffs. Getting people ready for the post season is nice if you're in, say, Texas' position. In a hot pennant race with two good teams on your ass, less so.
big k.
glad the angels decided to show up some tonight.
[129] =)
[129] He also has more of a babyface than I thought
Does Michael Kay care about anything but velocity?
[130] i agree with that point, but (and i am still a javy supporter) i think right now given javy's struggles and this dead arm period resting him now is also a move that helps with getting in the playoffs.
Nicely DONE Kerry!
nice work there kerry.
133) No facial hair rule ---> more baby face appearance
[130] What's worse? Making the playoffs and losing b/c everyone's gassed? (guaranteed loss) Or not making the playoffs having everyone rested. I chooes the latter just for the lack of stress. : )
"Hey, Boone, you know what would be fun? Let's build a fire here next to my dad's Camaro."
"Sounds cool, Kerry. Right here near the back, right?"
"Yep.... Oh, nice job, Boone, let me toss a couple of logs on too."
"Say, Ker?"
"Yeah, Boone?"
"Where's the gas tank on this thing?"
"Oh, huh. You think it might be right near the fire, huh?"
"Yeah, could be."
"Maybe we better put it out."
"Yeah."
"Okay... Well, that was fun, Boone, let's do it again some time soon."
Its one thing to run Nova out there against Tampa Bay or Texas. Its entirely something else to use him against, say, Seattle. Or Oakland. Or (perhaps) Baltimore. The Yanks face enough teams with horrible offenses down the stretch that getting Nova work would be easy, methinks.
In any case, I can't see it happening, so we'll just dream some more.
[140] I totally don't get that..but it made me laugh anyways..
[142] Oh, well, they were flirting with disaster, horrifying onlookers... I hate having to explain my jokes.
Not likely that Teixeira gets another AB, right? Because he needs a triple for the cycle. (If you single, double, triple, homer, and reach on an error, what's that called?)
That reminded me of
"Don't worry, we can fix this. My dad's a TV repair man. He has an ultimate set of tools." lol
[144] is for [140] Oy.
damnit - the ibb to load the bases just might work.
Sox threatening, second and third with nobody out.
[147] Beltre strikes out.
[143] Made me think of this for some reason..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwoiy-Fwm0E
[148] Lowell walks.
[146] ah good - such behavior should not be rewarded!
He needed that. YES!
Oh, nice. There's more than one Austin on the field today, turns out.
JD Drew in to ph for Bill Hall.
I'm getting the distinct impression that Austin Kearns is a professional hitter.
Jepsen throws a wild pitch, tie game. And now they'll walk Drew.
Yanks have 9 hits .... 8 for extra bases ...
[155] so far it's looking like a pretty nice pick-up, especially since he can actually play a decent outfield.
Dan Nava ph for McDonald. Jepsen still trying to salvage the inning.
So, this is the rare confluence of circumstances that yields a Chad Gaudin appearance.
Nava watches two strikes. Papi is on third, so it might take a verrrry long fly to score the run. Here's the pitch.
Oh, he fucking hit him. He hit Nava. Sox take the lead.
And there, Ms. Oct., is another IBB biting Mike Scioscia in the ass.
[157]
Yanks need 1 more XBH to tie franchise record for most XBH in game while getting either 0 or 1 single ...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200608190.shtml
Ok, now I really understand...Gaudin was brought in to hit Cabrera.
Leyland's got a point. Stupid fucking warning on the 1st pitch.
Kalish GIDP to end the inning. The Sox get two runs off Angelic incompetence.
I really, really hope we didn't just hit Miguel Cabrera because he hit two homeruns.
fuck off mk - you just said you can tell by a pitcher's reaction - now you are saying you can't tell.
Damn, I wasn't watching. Did he hit Cabrera intentionally?
[162] fucking idiot.
Love the televised f-bombs. lol.
167) if it was intentional, I imagine it had to do more with the first inning beaning, though the two HRs might have contributed.
Shut up, Kay...the ump is ALREADY mindreading when he issues the warning in the first place.
when are we going to be put out of our chad gaudin misery?
You gonna read THOSE tea leaves?
[169] i couldn't tell for sure either way, but i am leaning toward not intentional.
Maybe if you let Joba throw more than 1 innning, Joe. ugh.
173) tonight, or more generally?
[173] Not soon enough ...
[155] He's working out OK, isn't he?
[167] May be unintentional, Gaudin has no semblance of control
[176] I'm afraid once you spin the Wheel of Bullpen Roulette, you have to keep spinning it ... otherwise, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria ... that sorta thing, ya know?
Go get 'em, Dave.
[177] at the time both - clearly we have our answer for tonight now, but it's time to move on from him. there are better options in aaa.
[173] et al - I'm thinking Igawa isn't as bad as Gaudin, right about now . . .
Damn shame Jason Hirsch just went on the AAA DL, or he'd be a fine long man option IMHO if they didn't want to use Nova . . .
We need a good 'ol fashion triple play.
Or that.
Happy 100th Birthday beautiful old Rickwood Field!
And what's this? A winning streak? Man, I can get behind a fucking winning streak right now.
you know fuck the ump for not ejecting gaudin.
183)there are better options in aaa.
Indeed. i would go with Miranda, though I could see an argument for Moeller or even Russo.
[50] speaking of Bryce Harper. I thought it was delicious hypocrisy to hear Steven Strasburg bitching about Harper waiting to sign to get more money..."Hey Kettle, it's the pot, you're black!"
[189] :} (agreed)
[181] Are you the keymaster?
[188] Ms. October I donned a uniform and ALMOST got to play in a game at the 100th anniversary of the opening of Rickwood Field in Birmingham today, but alas the rains came....well, you just can't figure baseball
[190] I didn't actually hear Strasburg, so I couldn't tell if it was bitching or just, I dunno, the party line for his team or something.
Good work, Dave, keep it up, one more...
In Fenway Matsui works a 9-pitch walk of Bard. Runners on first and second and two out in the top of the eighth.
Leyland is getting pretty steamed.
You the man, Dave!
[193] ah that would have been cool, too bad the rain had to mess it up.
That was some Alabama Slammin'!
Go Robertson!
Glad he's back on track ...
So, Robertson for two? Except he already has almost 20 pitches. Does BP roulette mean we get consecutive non-save Mo appearances?
Well done, Dave!
And in Fenway, Itzuris drives the ball to the outfield, but right at Nava, end of the threat.
Well, Papelbon in the ninth, there's still hope!
good work cleaning up chad's mess, dave.
[196] What is Leyland steamed about?
I'll be amazed if Leyland doesn't get run. Hopefully one more awful fucking call will send him over the edge. : )
[198] I may get a second crack in October when they have a pre-winterization party game.
[200] Mo's warming up, probably not.
alright let's cut this shit out.
[201] It will be interesting to see if the Roid Sux bring back Papelbon next season...with his salary + the way he's become unglued this year + Bard they might just punt on him.
Haven't quite seen this magnitude of garbage. EVER.
[206] Meaning, Mo's probably coming in
203) he was mad about Gaudin hitting Cabrera and not getting tossed, then a couple of balls-strikes-check swings went against him.
Yay, another intentional pitch!
[203] it's leyland - wasn't isn't he steamed about?
but mostly that gaudin didn't get thrown out - hell he should have been happy that shitbird stayed in.
guess lelyland did get tossed.
"F--k that s--t" - Lloyd McClendon
204) apparently he was already thrown out in a some sort of covert operation.
haha more f-bombs tonight as the ump told leyland, "get the fuck out of here."
Isn't this the part where Kitty rants about the DH?
This game is not particulalry exciting right now.
Tomorrow's starter is Porcello.
He plunked Puke 2x and started a big fight.
http://tinyurl.com/259t54g
Professional RBI from V-Mart. Halos still not out of trouble, as Papi walks.
wtf did derek just do there?
Epic fail. If Jeter was Cobb like he would have freaking plowed the catcher. He did have one thrown beyond his back. Real old timey-like.
220) that was weird...he seemed to go on contact, but I'm not sure why he ran all the way back to third. I think everyone is getting a little punchy.
The good news anout that DP is that it staved off what I think was an inevitable brawl in the making.
[208] I'm pretty sure he's gone (Paps gone from Beantown). The only thing is, he may not be looking at a huge payday, after this rather mediocre season. So maybe he won't get a huge contract to lure him away. I dunno.
So now Mo is lost for tomorrow. Gaudin is remarkable...he actually takes up multiple roster spots.
Since the out was made at first, Jeter probably wanted the other 2 runners to go back to 2nd and 1st, in order to create a chaotic run down.
[225] Yeah, I don't get it. Why couldn't Mitre pitch this inning?
[225] yeah, ridiculous. mo should not be in this game.
If Mo hit the batter, would the ump toss him? ha.
Game over.
All rise.
what a way to make a livin'
and that's that.
Thanks be to Mo.
226) complete with circus music, or better, the benny hill theme song? That would have been awesome!
[229] Yes, because he would know for sure it was intentional!
Angels 0-9 vs. the Sox this year. boooooooooooooooooooooooooo
It does give me a modicum of pleasure knowing Scioscia's had a stupid look on his face all year against them and I don't have to see it.
Thanks be to Mo. The Placid Assassin.
You know, someone mentioned this a number of weeks ago about Paul O'Neill, and I've been meaning to respond ever since.
The criticism that was levied against O'Neill is that he never criticizes anyone. What I wanted to point out is that I think that is not at all the case - what happens is that Paul is so damn nice that even his criticisms don't sound like criticisms. But they are. I actually think he pulls very few punches. It's done in such an easygoing style, but the content is straight and honest.
And I think you can start to recognize what's underneath in his kind but firm commentary when you hear him actually serve one up with no varnishing - which is what we got tonight when he went after the lack of accountability of the umpires.
He's my favorite, and I actually feel like he is right at the top of giving me insights into the game that I just don't have, having never been a major leaguer. When I listen to Flaherty and Leiter go on about the art of "pitching to a lineup" and living off the plate, all I can think of is that I'm listening to a lesson plan on how to throw 300 pitches in a game.
Scioscia sucks. I hate him and his stupid team and his team's ridiculous name. I hope the Red Sox fed them some nice treats on their way out of town. Good doggies. Roll over for the Red Sox again. If I didn't hate the Red Sox so much, the Angels would be such a close second. But I do hate the Red Sox that much, so as annoying as Grumpy McWhinyface and his band of pests (that somehow have no taste for Red Sox blood) are, it's not even close.
Jimmy's still pretty tight about the incident.
[236] O'Neill never criticizes? Michael Kay disagrees with you :)
And [239], you realize that I'm saying that he does criticize, it's just done in such a polite manner that it can be missed.
But yes, with Kay, I'm always glad when O'Neill is there to express bafflement when Kay mentions that he has never tried soup, a banana... what else is on that bizarre list? Kay was raised by some odd folks. No wonder his eyesight is so bad.