obviously he got the option in his contract to either leave and/or have the leverage to get more money/more years.
we have all assumed he wants more money/more years.
whether that is with the yankees or someone else that is the big question.
cc has been wonderful for the most part. the stretch run and postseason this year were not his high points. i am not sure if it was the 6 man rotation, the seatle almost no-hitter rain delay game (which cult has pointed out was the beginning point for less stellar numbers), the weight he put back on or a combination of these things, or something else altogether.
the yankees would definitely be a far lesser team next year without him and probably the next few years.
is it wise to sign a 31 year old pitcher who has weight issues that might impact other things (his knees from last year for example) well into his 30s?
it's a hard call to me.
It's unique for the Yanks in that they don't have to worry about a salary cap; they may wish to cap it at >$200 million, but at least it's up to them. Money will not be the deciding factor, I think it will be years. As to whether he wants to stay, I can't get in his mind, but I'd be surprised if he decided to leave altogether, and equally surprised if he decided not to opt out at all.
Bobby just wants attention, what else is new? If/when CC opts out he'll have the Yankees over a barrel moneywise...
...so they're gonna lose a bidding war to teams that are currently sinking cash into the likes of Vernon Wells?
I think the negotiations will get fairly nasty, with the weight and his past 2 playoff performances being a focal point, but he'll eventually get what he wants. And let's be real, even with the uninspiring finish CC is still one of the few bonafide aces in the league.
Considering it's Bobby V saying it, I discount it entirely. Can't stand him. Yankees are almost a guarantee to make the post season, why would CC leave that and go to the messes that are the Dodgers or White Sox? Just looking for a new deal, which is fine.
I won't be surprised if CC moves back to California.
The Yankees will make the best offer, but I can see him taking a little less to kick it West Coast stylee.
That's my guess. We're going to be in need of a lefty ace.
[8] i'm just saying we (most of us) don't say to ourselves brad pitt or will smith should take less to make a movie. we certainly don't say bill gates or warren buffett or whoever else like that should take less money.
we rarely say it about gms or even managers (the torre situation was an exception and there were a lot of factors at place there). i have heard almost no discussion that cashman should take less money and return to the yankees.
why do we say that about athletes - many people wanted jeter to take less last year and now there is a sentiment from some about cc.
i especially don't understand it in baseball since there is no cap.
[12] Well I think I pointed out the reason why. And I think people do complain about CEO salaries, about movie star salaries, etc. But again - those millionaires (or billionaires) don't represent them as sports figures do.
And also again, specifically, I am talking about the idea of opting out of an already incredibly lucrative contract to squeeze even more money out. It's not the same as Jeter, whose contract had expired.
(And with Jeter I think the sentiment was he should take less money because he's not worth as much as he was asking, which is a fair point. It's not like a home town discount; people legitimately thought he was overpaid.)
I just don't see how/why he would leave. If he wanted to take slightly less to play on the West Coast he would've done it 3 years ago. It's not like his time in NY has been some kind of nightmare he's trying to escape from, ala A-Rod in '07.
He's just looking for a raise, plain and simple, and he knows he has all the leverage in the world to get one.
""I've squared up a little bit in my stance. I got a little pull-happy the last two years," he said. "I need to get more hits left-handed. That's the fact of the matter. The proof is in the numbers. I have been stubborn.""--Teix
If Sabathia gets ridiculous with his contract demands, I say let him go and try to sign two pitchers from a group that includes CJ Wilson, Mark Buerhle, and Edwin Jackson. The Yankees already have ridiculously long contracts with A-Rod and Teixeira; they don't need a third, especially with a guy whose weight is increasing faster than Michael Moore's.
Don't get me wrong. I'd like to see Sabathia back, but there are limits.
obviously he got the option in his contract to either leave and/or have the leverage to get more money/more years.
we have all assumed he wants more money/more years.
whether that is with the yankees or someone else that is the big question.
cc has been wonderful for the most part. the stretch run and postseason this year were not his high points. i am not sure if it was the 6 man rotation, the seatle almost no-hitter rain delay game (which cult has pointed out was the beginning point for less stellar numbers), the weight he put back on or a combination of these things, or something else altogether.
the yankees would definitely be a far lesser team next year without him and probably the next few years.
is it wise to sign a 31 year old pitcher who has weight issues that might impact other things (his knees from last year for example) well into his 30s?
it's a hard call to me.
It's unique for the Yanks in that they don't have to worry about a salary cap; they may wish to cap it at >$200 million, but at least it's up to them. Money will not be the deciding factor, I think it will be years. As to whether he wants to stay, I can't get in his mind, but I'd be surprised if he decided to leave altogether, and equally surprised if he decided not to opt out at all.
Bobby just wants attention, what else is new? If/when CC opts out he'll have the Yankees over a barrel moneywise...
...so they're gonna lose a bidding war to teams that are currently sinking cash into the likes of Vernon Wells?
I think the negotiations will get fairly nasty, with the weight and his past 2 playoff performances being a focal point, but he'll eventually get what he wants. And let's be real, even with the uninspiring finish CC is still one of the few bonafide aces in the league.
Considering it's Bobby V saying it, I discount it entirely. Can't stand him. Yankees are almost a guarantee to make the post season, why would CC leave that and go to the messes that are the Dodgers or White Sox? Just looking for a new deal, which is fine.
I'd like CC to not opt out. I just think it would be a breath of fresh air. It's unlikely but I feel like if anyone might, it's Sabathia.
Oh, he'll opt out. Question is does he want to stay in the BX?
I get it but what if just once, an athlete said hey I'm getting paid incredibly well and I'm all set. I'm not going to bother.
[7] i understand where you are coming from.
but why should we ask this from athletes when we rarely make a similar request to other big money earners?
I won't be surprised if CC moves back to California.
The Yankees will make the best offer, but I can see him taking a little less to kick it West Coast stylee.
That's my guess. We're going to be in need of a lefty ace.
[8] Like who?
I dunno, you'll have to give a specific example. Hard to say otherwise.
But generally speaking, athletes are our avatars. We have a personal investment in them. Also this is specific to he opt out mechanism.
[7] "How much money do you need?" -Jered "Red Ass" Weaver
[8] i'm just saying we (most of us) don't say to ourselves brad pitt or will smith should take less to make a movie. we certainly don't say bill gates or warren buffett or whoever else like that should take less money.
we rarely say it about gms or even managers (the torre situation was an exception and there were a lot of factors at place there). i have heard almost no discussion that cashman should take less money and return to the yankees.
why do we say that about athletes - many people wanted jeter to take less last year and now there is a sentiment from some about cc.
i especially don't understand it in baseball since there is no cap.
[12] Well I think I pointed out the reason why. And I think people do complain about CEO salaries, about movie star salaries, etc. But again - those millionaires (or billionaires) don't represent them as sports figures do.
And also again, specifically, I am talking about the idea of opting out of an already incredibly lucrative contract to squeeze even more money out. It's not the same as Jeter, whose contract had expired.
(And with Jeter I think the sentiment was he should take less money because he's not worth as much as he was asking, which is a fair point. It's not like a home town discount; people legitimately thought he was overpaid.)
I just don't see how/why he would leave. If he wanted to take slightly less to play on the West Coast he would've done it 3 years ago. It's not like his time in NY has been some kind of nightmare he's trying to escape from, ala A-Rod in '07.
He's just looking for a raise, plain and simple, and he knows he has all the leverage in the world to get one.
[14] I don't know, maybe he got his ring and would be content to play nearer home for lower stakes.
Found this re: Teix and the shift:
""I've squared up a little bit in my stance. I got a little pull-happy the last two years," he said. "I need to get more hits left-handed. That's the fact of the matter. The proof is in the numbers. I have been stubborn.""--Teix
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gzBeUJOQgTktsiFxy8iUyz_9ap_g?docId=1a920c40540645228bfc3be6f0ddb51d
You see, RI, it *is* all about morality! Right from the horse's mouth!
:)
C.C. going elsewhere wouldn't be surprise me, nothing in baseball does now-a-days.
Of course, the Redsox might just put out some rumors about C.C. as well, just to drive the price up.
I just hope the Yanks can settle the Brian Cashman's situation and Sabathina's quickly so they can start trying to address their needs for 2012.
I've seen in the past the Yanks get boggled down on one player while missing out on a few other key pieces.
If Sabathia gets ridiculous with his contract demands, I say let him go and try to sign two pitchers from a group that includes CJ Wilson, Mark Buerhle, and Edwin Jackson. The Yankees already have ridiculously long contracts with A-Rod and Teixeira; they don't need a third, especially with a guy whose weight is increasing faster than Michael Moore's.
Don't get me wrong. I'd like to see Sabathia back, but there are limits.
[18] Screw it, sign Wilson and the Hurling Darvish.