Um, no. Don't have any hatred for Josh, but he's looking for a big payday, Yankees have too much of those right now, especially for a team trying to get down to $189 million in 2014.
I think you guys are way off here. Look around and tell us when big time players are becoming free agents for the Yankees to nab. Who are the best young players in the league? Braun, McCutchen, Votto, Longoria? They're all signed into their 30s on team friendly deals. If the Pittsburgh Pirates had the ability to lock up McCutchen, the days of poaching elite 27 year olds in free agency is over.
It's going to take a player who actually prefers the risk of hurtling toward free agency on year to year arb deals to test this. Even still, with teams getting smart, they are delaying their best prospects' entry into the league so that they get their best years regardless.
No one is close to Hamilton's quality in this market. Cano is the only one close in the next market and everything you're saying about addicts is much more true about second basemen.
[6] As if there's not an ample amount of crack in every city in the league.
If you want to say he can't hit lefties, takes a crappy approach at the plate and can't stay on the field for a variety of reasons, that's a fine argument.
7) Of course there is. But the nightlife in NYC is bigger and brighter than in most every other mlb city is what I'm saying. We're talking about an unstable guy. He was even flighty last year in Texas and all that talk about quitting dip being the cause, I don't know man, it sounded fishy.
And I don't know who'll they will get. Nobody who is as good as Hamilton. But also nobody that is as expensive and as big a risk. Then again, if the Yanks get him for three years that might be a risk to take. But since they are claiming to be frugal why would they do that?
Why are they claiming to be frugal? To jump through a loophole in 2014, not because the Yanks are a bunch of cheapskates all of a sudden. If it turns out to be the latter, then we're all fucked.
Talk about a clubhouse with bad chemistry! I'm for playing kids and old people. Don't want to see the guy who played with Soxes or Hamilton. Rebuild the team. A Rod could be finished. Don't have a fear he will start using; more of a fear he will strike out 140 times, just like Swisher and not hit 40 home runs.
[12] I think the risk that everyone seems to be avoiding in articulating here is pressure. With Hamilton, that is an enormous elephant in the room kind of question. He nearly killed his career in Cincy, had a huge reawakening in Texas and a setback that motivates the worry, so the question is not so much IF, but WHEN.
And you know whether the media here will try to dissect and crucify him (or even deify him), it will be embarrassingly and annoyingly blown out of proportion. How do the Yanks, and just as (if not more) importantly, how does Hamilton handle that?
How the Yanks think he handles that will be crucial to whether they sign him or not in my opinion, not the money and the risk of blowing their budget (especially of they feel it puts them over the top).
Maybe he can do drugs and still be productive. The Mick did it. Keith Hernandez did it. Lots of '70s Pirates did it.
Before you freak out, I'm half kidding, but taking a chance on Hamilton falling off the wagon is well worth the chance given he is easily one of the top 3 talents in all of baseball. Few come even close to him.
I don.t think a recovering user is more likely to use here than any other baseball town.
There 's temptation and accessibility to dope wherever Hamilton goes.
I would sign him, and trade Granderson for whatever I could get. Serviceable outfielder, or pitcher, whatever.
Hamilton, Gardener, and Ichiro would make a very good outfield. Dickerson is the 4th guy.
I'd sign Youk to the one year, even sweetening the fine offer that's currently on the table with reasonable incentives. Get this one done. He's a perfect fit for this season.
I'd plan on Romine behind the plate.
I'd have Nunez play 3b, and ss to relieve Youk, and Jeter .
This team won"t hit as many home runs as last year's model, but will score enough runs to win a lot of games
Hamilton is a multi-millionaire.
If he wants, he can have a beautiful woman and an once of crack flown in from Columbia, and snort it off her breasts. New York is no more dangerous then anywhere else, unless you need to buy a 1/2 gram on the street.
Hamilton's breakdown was a night of drinking. Anyone here every have a night of drinking? But because he is an addict and a Born Again, it was made out to be a huge deal, including by Josh himself.
I'm not worried about his addiction. NYC has many, many fine things to do without doing drugs.
And the Yanks would only get him if Texas does not, and he doesn't have any early offers. So maybe they offer him 1/$26m, or 3/$70m, or some below-rate deal. They are not looking to pay full price, but steal him, in case everyone else appears weary.
Um, no. Don't have any hatred for Josh, but he's looking for a big payday, Yankees have too much of those right now, especially for a team trying to get down to $189 million in 2014.
And NY is exactly the wrong environment for him.
If they were going to blow up their "budget" idea why do it for such a risky player?
Don't worry. In classic fashion, the Ms will overpay for this D-bag.
3) LOL. I don't think of him as a douche, necessarily. Just a screwed up dude.
I think you guys are way off here. Look around and tell us when big time players are becoming free agents for the Yankees to nab. Who are the best young players in the league? Braun, McCutchen, Votto, Longoria? They're all signed into their 30s on team friendly deals. If the Pittsburgh Pirates had the ability to lock up McCutchen, the days of poaching elite 27 year olds in free agency is over.
It's going to take a player who actually prefers the risk of hurtling toward free agency on year to year arb deals to test this. Even still, with teams getting smart, they are delaying their best prospects' entry into the league so that they get their best years regardless.
No one is close to Hamilton's quality in this market. Cano is the only one close in the next market and everything you're saying about addicts is much more true about second basemen.
I might be wrong. And his talent is incredible. But, recovering crack head in NYC? I don't think that's a good mix, man.
[6] As if there's not an ample amount of crack in every city in the league.
If you want to say he can't hit lefties, takes a crappy approach at the plate and can't stay on the field for a variety of reasons, that's a fine argument.
Or to put it another way, I'm fine with not taking the risks on Josh Hamilton. Now tell me who the Yankees can get to play outfield next year.
7) Of course there is. But the nightlife in NYC is bigger and brighter than in most every other mlb city is what I'm saying. We're talking about an unstable guy. He was even flighty last year in Texas and all that talk about quitting dip being the cause, I don't know man, it sounded fishy.
And I don't know who'll they will get. Nobody who is as good as Hamilton. But also nobody that is as expensive and as big a risk. Then again, if the Yanks get him for three years that might be a risk to take. But since they are claiming to be frugal why would they do that?
Also: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/07/yankees-brett-gardner-avoid-arbitration-with-one-year-deal/
Why are they claiming to be frugal? To jump through a loophole in 2014, not because the Yanks are a bunch of cheapskates all of a sudden. If it turns out to be the latter, then we're all fucked.
Talk about a clubhouse with bad chemistry! I'm for playing kids and old people. Don't want to see the guy who played with Soxes or Hamilton. Rebuild the team. A Rod could be finished. Don't have a fear he will start using; more of a fear he will strike out 140 times, just like Swisher and not hit 40 home runs.
[11] Swisher didn't hit 40 homers either. He hit 24. Hamilton would hit well over 24 homers in Yankee Stadium alone.
[12] I think the risk that everyone seems to be avoiding in articulating here is pressure. With Hamilton, that is an enormous elephant in the room kind of question. He nearly killed his career in Cincy, had a huge reawakening in Texas and a setback that motivates the worry, so the question is not so much IF, but WHEN.
And you know whether the media here will try to dissect and crucify him (or even deify him), it will be embarrassingly and annoyingly blown out of proportion. How do the Yanks, and just as (if not more) importantly, how does Hamilton handle that?
How the Yanks think he handles that will be crucial to whether they sign him or not in my opinion, not the money and the risk of blowing their budget (especially of they feel it puts them over the top).
Maybe he can do drugs and still be productive. The Mick did it. Keith Hernandez did it. Lots of '70s Pirates did it.
Before you freak out, I'm half kidding, but taking a chance on Hamilton falling off the wagon is well worth the chance given he is easily one of the top 3 talents in all of baseball. Few come even close to him.
I'd take those odds any day of the week.
I don.t think a recovering user is more likely to use here than any other baseball town.
There 's temptation and accessibility to dope wherever Hamilton goes.
I would sign him, and trade Granderson for whatever I could get. Serviceable outfielder, or pitcher, whatever.
Hamilton, Gardener, and Ichiro would make a very good outfield. Dickerson is the 4th guy.
I'd sign Youk to the one year, even sweetening the fine offer that's currently on the table with reasonable incentives. Get this one done. He's a perfect fit for this season.
I'd plan on Romine behind the plate.
I'd have Nunez play 3b, and ss to relieve Youk, and Jeter .
This team won"t hit as many home runs as last year's model, but will score enough runs to win a lot of games
Who knows, they might be able to get something vey special in return for Grandy.
[14] It's not that he can do drugs and be productive, it's that if he does drugs he's basically out of baseball. One more positive test and it's over.
Hamilton is a multi-millionaire.
If he wants, he can have a beautiful woman and an once of crack flown in from Columbia, and snort it off her breasts. New York is no more dangerous then anywhere else, unless you need to buy a 1/2 gram on the street.
Hamilton's breakdown was a night of drinking. Anyone here every have a night of drinking? But because he is an addict and a Born Again, it was made out to be a huge deal, including by Josh himself.
I'm not worried about his addiction. NYC has many, many fine things to do without doing drugs.
And the Yanks would only get him if Texas does not, and he doesn't have any early offers. So maybe they offer him 1/$26m, or 3/$70m, or some below-rate deal. They are not looking to pay full price, but steal him, in case everyone else appears weary.