I'd like to see them find a better hitting catcher in return for Joba, Phil, and/or Phelps.
Keep Robbie, Granderson, CC. I don't think they should trade their healthy or returning stars. This team is still in the hunt.
How about neither. The offense is wholly inadequate and even the returning players are question marks though mostly upgrades. But Robertson looks to be the heir apparent, I'd hate to trade him.
But I'm looking at 2014. I don't want to trade our starting pitching strength and go into the season with a year older lineup with a weakened rotation (CC, Nova, Phelps and Pettitte? Kuroda?)
Now, flipping Hughes & Joba for a bat, I'm fine with, though not sure if there's a deal there.
How much production will we get from Ichiro, Derek and Mark next year. How much is Robbie going to cost.
And then there's A-Rod. At best I see him as league average, at worst he's suspended for 150 games and the Yankees have to bring in someone for a year. Medical retirement or lifetime ban would be easier, at least we would know that we need a long term solution and the former would be an insurance reimbursement while the latter would be a contract voiding (I'm guessing.)
I would rather take our lickings this year without giving away what few gems we have.
Buy, but within reason. For instance, if you call Seattle and say "Joba/Hughes for Ibanez/Morales" and they say ok then you should go for it. Why not? You've dealt from a position of strength and addressed a weakness. But it's not like you emptied out the roster on some kind of Hail Mary.
"Some contender would make an offer for Robinson Cano, I’m sure of it. He’s an affordable impact player at a hard-to-fill position. David Robertson, Boone Logan, and Shawn Kelley would all have suitors, and so would Brett Gardner and a healthy Granderson."
I would hate to see Cano go anywhere. He is expensive, but he is the present and future. I also wouldn't trade Robertson or Gardner. DRob is the closer heir apparent, and Gardner is one of those guys that plays hard and is fairly dependable. He also does not cost a lot, and if they want to get under the luxury tax threshold they will need more Gardners. CC I could see trading. He has a few more good or possibly great years, but he just as easily could be on the downhill.
Are we going to see Pineda this year?
I wouldn't have a firesale, but trading a few older players for younger guys would be great, but who would take them?
Gardner is a great player to trade.
He has real value for the rest of the season and he's very cheap.
Sure, I'd like to have him on the team, but I think he has only one more year after this one before he's a free agent. (Is that right? He's twice avoided arbitration by signing a contract.)
And why not trade Kuroda? He's having a great year and his contract is up at the end of the season.
the fact that people think a team that is 3 games out of a Wild Card spot, and 5 back of first place in the loss column, should have a fire sale is mind boggling to me
You're in fourth place and, even though you're only three games out of a wild card, the team stinks. They were once 13 games over.500. Now only 7 and trending down. I don't see them catching Boston or Tampa Bay. Next year is out the window according to Hal Steinbrenner. So trade everyone you can get rid of. If someone wants CC,sell him. He's not showing me anything. Kuroda's not coming back-trade him if you can for some youngster. It's long past the time to rebuild this ridiculously old team. I'd get rid of as much as possible-especially Joba and Phil. And it's all Arods fault, BTW.
8) Because Gardner has value and is cheap is exactly the reason to keep him. I will watch the Yankees next season no matter who they runout there, but they will need a bunch of cheap players, because nobody is taking Tex, CC and ARod off the Yanks hands and after they backup the money truck for Cano, they will be hard-pressed to get under the Luxury tax threshold.
9)I don't want a firesale either. If they could swing a deal to get rid of some old wood, and get some young guys and maybe take a look at Pineda, I say go for it.
[9] The odds that a team with a negative run differential, trotting out a lineup like the one the Yankees are forced to every night, can make up even three games is longer than it seems at first glance. The Yankees have been extremely lucky not to be sitting at .500. They'll be lucky even to play .500 ball the rest of the way, because it is virtually unthinkable that they will get production out of Hafner, Overbay, Wells and the catcher position like they did in April, when they went 16-10 (accounting for most of their now 7-games-above-.500 record).
This is a very dangerous position to be in, because many fans---like yourself, judging from the comment---will be seduced by the "just a few games back" situation and want to "buy" for this season. In fact, the odds are that this season is lost.
The real question is what about *next* year. Can this team legitimately contend next season? If so, then the best thing to do is, probably, to stay pat. But I am of the opinion that the organization should be aiming at 2015. In that case, it probably makes sense to sell---call it a fire sale or whatever. Who on the roster is really in a position to contribute in 2015 who can't be replaced? Outside of Cano, probably no one, and then the question with Cano is whether he's going to be worth the contract he commands.
[12] As RIYank points out [8], they should shop guys like Gardner, who have real value for a contender this year. He's gonna be 30 in August (IIRC)...he's not really young any more, and he's not likely to remain an above average player for long. He's not part of the future if the future is more than a season or so away. Another guys like this is David Robertson, who is in his age 28 season. He *may* be the "heir apparent" at closer[7], but he may return more value in a trade this season. Anyway, no one is going to replace Mo, but there are any number of worthy relievers who can have solid seasons as closer.
[7] We won't see Pineda for at least a couple of weeks. If the organization keeps him stashed in AAA long enough, they will get "back" one cost control year, essentially replacing last year's injury-lost season. At least that is how I understand it.
Because Gardner has value and is cheap is exactly the reason to keep him.
He's cheap this year. Likely to be not-so-cheap in arbitration next year, and then that's it. He's quite a bit more valuable to a team in contention this year than he is to the Yankees, and those are the guys you want to trade.
it is virtually unthinkable that they will get production out of Hafner, Overbay, Wells and the catcher position like they did in April, when they went 16-10
True, but misleading. It's very likely that they'll get more production out of some players (Cano, for instance, and Sabathia) next month than they got out of those same players in April.
My best bet is that they don't make the playoffs. But I don't think they're going to play .500 the rest of the way -- I believe they'll be better than that.
Random question: would you guys consider winning one of the Wild Card spots, but losing the Wild Card Game as "making the playoffs"?? I know MLB does, but I personally don't. And lets be real, there's a fair chance that the season plays out that way.
[15] CC's ERA in MArch and April was 3.35. You think he's going to do *better* than that over the rest of the season?? Similarly, Cano had a .997 OPS in March and April---so it wasn't like he was slumping then, either.
I seriously doubt there is anyone on the team who will perform better than they did in April, except maybe Ichiro (.644 OPS).
The team got unexpectedly strong production up and down the roster in April and into May, and they have been lucky (very strong record in one run games). I don't see any way to expect them to do more than tread water the rest of the way out.
I'd like to see them find a better hitting catcher in return for Joba, Phil, and/or Phelps.
Keep Robbie, Granderson, CC. I don't think they should trade their healthy or returning stars. This team is still in the hunt.
I say we stomp 'em, then we hang 'em and then we kill 'em!
But actually I say buy. And they need help now, by the trading deadline it may be too late what with their looming schedule.
How about neither. The offense is wholly inadequate and even the returning players are question marks though mostly upgrades. But Robertson looks to be the heir apparent, I'd hate to trade him.
But I'm looking at 2014. I don't want to trade our starting pitching strength and go into the season with a year older lineup with a weakened rotation (CC, Nova, Phelps and Pettitte? Kuroda?)
Now, flipping Hughes & Joba for a bat, I'm fine with, though not sure if there's a deal there.
How much production will we get from Ichiro, Derek and Mark next year. How much is Robbie going to cost.
And then there's A-Rod. At best I see him as league average, at worst he's suspended for 150 games and the Yankees have to bring in someone for a year. Medical retirement or lifetime ban would be easier, at least we would know that we need a long term solution and the former would be an insurance reimbursement while the latter would be a contract voiding (I'm guessing.)
I would rather take our lickings this year without giving away what few gems we have.
Buy, but within reason. For instance, if you call Seattle and say "Joba/Hughes for Ibanez/Morales" and they say ok then you should go for it. Why not? You've dealt from a position of strength and addressed a weakness. But it's not like you emptied out the roster on some kind of Hail Mary.
So the fact that we're so much better than our Pythagoran record is only attributable to Girardi's managing, right. LOL.
If you're gonna trade Joba and/or Hughes, I say try to get someone under 37 in return (preferably under 27). Jesus H. Christ we're ancient.
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Of course, what they have to offer that would be attractive to buyers is indeed limited.
"Some contender would make an offer for Robinson Cano, I’m sure of it. He’s an affordable impact player at a hard-to-fill position. David Robertson, Boone Logan, and Shawn Kelley would all have suitors, and so would Brett Gardner and a healthy Granderson."
I would hate to see Cano go anywhere. He is expensive, but he is the present and future. I also wouldn't trade Robertson or Gardner. DRob is the closer heir apparent, and Gardner is one of those guys that plays hard and is fairly dependable. He also does not cost a lot, and if they want to get under the luxury tax threshold they will need more Gardners. CC I could see trading. He has a few more good or possibly great years, but he just as easily could be on the downhill.
Are we going to see Pineda this year?
I wouldn't have a firesale, but trading a few older players for younger guys would be great, but who would take them?
Gardner is a great player to trade.
He has real value for the rest of the season and he's very cheap.
Sure, I'd like to have him on the team, but I think he has only one more year after this one before he's a free agent. (Is that right? He's twice avoided arbitration by signing a contract.)
And why not trade Kuroda? He's having a great year and his contract is up at the end of the season.
the fact that people think a team that is 3 games out of a Wild Card spot, and 5 back of first place in the loss column, should have a fire sale is mind boggling to me
You're in fourth place and, even though you're only three games out of a wild card, the team stinks. They were once 13 games over.500. Now only 7 and trending down. I don't see them catching Boston or Tampa Bay. Next year is out the window according to Hal Steinbrenner. So trade everyone you can get rid of. If someone wants CC,sell him. He's not showing me anything. Kuroda's not coming back-trade him if you can for some youngster. It's long past the time to rebuild this ridiculously old team. I'd get rid of as much as possible-especially Joba and Phil. And it's all Arods fault, BTW.
I have a strong feeling that this is how it's gonna go down at the trading deadline...
8) Because Gardner has value and is cheap is exactly the reason to keep him. I will watch the Yankees next season no matter who they runout there, but they will need a bunch of cheap players, because nobody is taking Tex, CC and ARod off the Yanks hands and after they backup the money truck for Cano, they will be hard-pressed to get under the Luxury tax threshold.
9)I don't want a firesale either. If they could swing a deal to get rid of some old wood, and get some young guys and maybe take a look at Pineda, I say go for it.
(12) oh totally, there's a difference between that and "TRADE EVERYONE!!!"
[9] The odds that a team with a negative run differential, trotting out a lineup like the one the Yankees are forced to every night, can make up even three games is longer than it seems at first glance. The Yankees have been extremely lucky not to be sitting at .500. They'll be lucky even to play .500 ball the rest of the way, because it is virtually unthinkable that they will get production out of Hafner, Overbay, Wells and the catcher position like they did in April, when they went 16-10 (accounting for most of their now 7-games-above-.500 record).
This is a very dangerous position to be in, because many fans---like yourself, judging from the comment---will be seduced by the "just a few games back" situation and want to "buy" for this season. In fact, the odds are that this season is lost.
The real question is what about *next* year. Can this team legitimately contend next season? If so, then the best thing to do is, probably, to stay pat. But I am of the opinion that the organization should be aiming at 2015. In that case, it probably makes sense to sell---call it a fire sale or whatever. Who on the roster is really in a position to contribute in 2015 who can't be replaced? Outside of Cano, probably no one, and then the question with Cano is whether he's going to be worth the contract he commands.
[12] As RIYank points out [8], they should shop guys like Gardner, who have real value for a contender this year. He's gonna be 30 in August (IIRC)...he's not really young any more, and he's not likely to remain an above average player for long. He's not part of the future if the future is more than a season or so away. Another guys like this is David Robertson, who is in his age 28 season. He *may* be the "heir apparent" at closer[7], but he may return more value in a trade this season. Anyway, no one is going to replace Mo, but there are any number of worthy relievers who can have solid seasons as closer.
[7] We won't see Pineda for at least a couple of weeks. If the organization keeps him stashed in AAA long enough, they will get "back" one cost control year, essentially replacing last year's injury-lost season. At least that is how I understand it.
He's cheap this year. Likely to be not-so-cheap in arbitration next year, and then that's it. He's quite a bit more valuable to a team in contention this year than he is to the Yankees, and those are the guys you want to trade.
True, but misleading. It's very likely that they'll get more production out of some players (Cano, for instance, and Sabathia) next month than they got out of those same players in April.
My best bet is that they don't make the playoffs. But I don't think they're going to play .500 the rest of the way -- I believe they'll be better than that.
Random question: would you guys consider winning one of the Wild Card spots, but losing the Wild Card Game as "making the playoffs"?? I know MLB does, but I personally don't. And lets be real, there's a fair chance that the season plays out that way.
[16] It is making the post season, but it would be like taking your sister to the prom.
[15] CC's ERA in MArch and April was 3.35. You think he's going to do *better* than that over the rest of the season?? Similarly, Cano had a .997 OPS in March and April---so it wasn't like he was slumping then, either.
I seriously doubt there is anyone on the team who will perform better than they did in April, except maybe Ichiro (.644 OPS).
The team got unexpectedly strong production up and down the roster in April and into May, and they have been lucky (very strong record in one run games). I don't see any way to expect them to do more than tread water the rest of the way out.