Phil is gonna be one of those guys who never ever impresses you, but then you look up one day and realize that he's been a starting pitcher for 15 years or something. Basically he'll be Steve Trachsel.
I hope they keep him. He seems like a really nice young man. He may never be a star but he can keep you in the game. I have heard that he would like to go back to the West coast.
It's interesting to look at Hughes' Home/Road splits:
Home:
1-7 58.1 IP 6.02 ERA 1.46 WHIP 14 HR 8.5 k/9 4.23 K/W
Away:
3-2 53.2 IP 3.02 ERA 1.21 WHIP 6 HR 6.4 k/9 2.11 K/W
Looks in part like he tries harder to strike guys out at the Stadium, probably because he's so vulnerable to the HR, but I wonder if that doesn't end contributing to the issue. Maybe he's over-throwing, missing his spots more often or pitching higher in the zone to get the k's. You have to wonder if pitching in NYS has gotten into his head ...
Hughes is better than CC and Andy lately, and I think he'll still give you more good games than bad. If they trade him, they better get a useful player in return.
[8] Agreed. But I get the feeling he's going to take the fall for...fan frustration or whatever...and the Yankees will cut him loose. Sort of like how Swisher was the fall guy for last year. Actually, I hope he gets traded and goes on to have a nice little back end of his career with another organization.
[9] He's not and never has been as good as Swisher was here. I think even if the Yankees were having a good year Phil's total inability to ever take the next step would doom him. He's been *this guy* seemingly forever. Certainly not good, but not quite bad enough to waive, completely settled into his rut of mediocrity.
Its just exhausting to watch him trot out there every five days
[11] I never said he was as good. I simply said he would be the fall guy. Your reaction to him...that he's *exhausting*...only reinforces my point. Is he really exhausting.Really? I mean, he's never lived up to billing. We all get that at this point. But I for one don't find him particularly laborious to watch, mainly because I've let go of previous expectations. In fact, I find him far more pleasant to watch this year than "Ace" Sabathia doing the same thing for a lot more money. But you and many others are frustrated, in particular with Hughes, and you want him gone. OK. So he'll be the fall guy.
And next year, the organization will trot out more aging veterans, many of whom vastly overpaid, and the organization will once again have failed to develop any of their own talent, except the "young" 30 y.o. Brett Gardner.
Price holds the home squad to one run and it's 2-1 in the bottom of the eighth. (The Red Sox scored on a Pesky Pole homer by some schlepp Snyder.) With one out, the Sox hit back-to-back doubles but fail to score! (Second double looked like it could be caught so the runner advanced only to third.) Then Sam Fuld in as a defensive replacement throws out Nava trying to score from third on an ordinary fly to center -- the ump blew the call at home and Farrell is tossed.
Bottom of the ninth Ellsbury leads off with a single. Two foul bunts and a pop-out by Victorino, then Pedroia advances Jacoby on a hit-and-run groundout.
Maddon elects to IBB Papi, putting the potential winning run on base! Amazing. Seems like a foolish call, but I now give Maddon the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, Rodney throws a WP and the runners advance to second and third, and I'm thinking, "Yep, that's one of the reasons you don't walk the winning run to first base." Napoli goes full count... and strikes out to end the game.
[10] In fact, Hughes and Lilly are an interesting comparison. In fact, they are nearly identical through the same point in their careers (though you could argue that Hughes is more advanced because he's about two years "ahead" of Lilly in terms of age v. service).
the organization will once again have failed to develop any of their own talent, except the "young" 30 y.o. Brett Gardner.
Huh?
24 men on the 40-man roster are "own talent" (drafted by the Yankees). Admittedly three of these are aging vets, but the rest obviously are not. Why did you single out Brett Gardner? Because he's so good, so young, so cute, so gritty, or what?
[16] I picked him because he is usually held out as the young player, but you look up and really he's not so young. And he's what, the only above average position player the team has developed in how many years? And even he was displaced to LF in deference to Grandy (a proven veteran whom the Yankees traded one of their then-prospects for).
The 40 man roster? What does that mean? What matters is who plays in the bigs, and the Yankees show a marked preference for aging veterans over internal options. That they developed a reliable relief pitcher (Robertson) is not much to get excited about. We'll see how Nova works out. I mean, we've been down this path before.
Okay, 15 on the 25 man roster. (I wasn't sure what counted as "developing" for you.)
The Yankees' strategy has been to draft pitchers and catchers with their (very limited) draft picks, and take long shots on potentially good position players. That doesn't seem like a bad strategy to me. They've also traded a few prospects, of course, but the Montero and Jackson trades also seem like pretty reasonable moves. (I'd love to have IPK or Tyler Clippard back, on the other hand.)
He certainly never lived up to the top of the rotation starter ceiling we hoped he'd reach as a prospect but it's not like he's been an abject failure either. He's a decent middle of the rotation righty who as a fly ball pitcher has trouble pitching at his home park (almost double ERA split). As a 27 year old he could be worse and he might get better. I guess a change of scenery in warranted. For prospect mavens like me it was fun watching him grow up and it's been nice to be able to count him as a Yankees farm system product pitching in the bigs. Personally I don't think they can get supplemental first round pick value for him if they move him now so I'd rather they hold him, make him a QO in the fall and get a pick or pitch him for another year if he accepts.
Mediocre gopher-baller.
Phil is gonna be one of those guys who never ever impresses you, but then you look up one day and realize that he's been a starting pitcher for 15 years or something. Basically he'll be Steve Trachsel.
He needs a bigger ballpark. Seattle, maybe?
I hope they keep him. He seems like a really nice young man. He may never be a star but he can keep you in the game. I have heard that he would like to go back to the West coast.
[2] Or Ted Lilly...
[3] He's gonna need a bigger boat.
Ken Rosenthal.
Grain of salt.
It's interesting to look at Hughes' Home/Road splits:
Home:
1-7 58.1 IP 6.02 ERA 1.46 WHIP 14 HR 8.5 k/9 4.23 K/W
Away:
3-2 53.2 IP 3.02 ERA 1.21 WHIP 6 HR 6.4 k/9 2.11 K/W
Looks in part like he tries harder to strike guys out at the Stadium, probably because he's so vulnerable to the HR, but I wonder if that doesn't end contributing to the issue. Maybe he's over-throwing, missing his spots more often or pitching higher in the zone to get the k's. You have to wonder if pitching in NYS has gotten into his head ...
Hughes is better than CC and Andy lately, and I think he'll still give you more good games than bad. If they trade him, they better get a useful player in return.
[8] Agreed. But I get the feeling he's going to take the fall for...fan frustration or whatever...and the Yankees will cut him loose. Sort of like how Swisher was the fall guy for last year. Actually, I hope he gets traded and goes on to have a nice little back end of his career with another organization.
[5] No way is he as good as Ted Lilly.
I'll throw Jose Lima into the ring.
[9] He's not and never has been as good as Swisher was here. I think even if the Yankees were having a good year Phil's total inability to ever take the next step would doom him. He's been *this guy* seemingly forever. Certainly not good, but not quite bad enough to waive, completely settled into his rut of mediocrity.
Its just exhausting to watch him trot out there every five days
[11] I never said he was as good. I simply said he would be the fall guy. Your reaction to him...that he's *exhausting*...only reinforces my point. Is he really exhausting.Really? I mean, he's never lived up to billing. We all get that at this point. But I for one don't find him particularly laborious to watch, mainly because I've let go of previous expectations. In fact, I find him far more pleasant to watch this year than "Ace" Sabathia doing the same thing for a lot more money. But you and many others are frustrated, in particular with Hughes, and you want him gone. OK. So he'll be the fall guy.
And next year, the organization will trot out more aging veterans, many of whom vastly overpaid, and the organization will once again have failed to develop any of their own talent, except the "young" 30 y.o. Brett Gardner.
Whatever.
More Alex fun:
http://online.wsj.com/article/AP98dc90555d734f7fbe034e3ac469e7be.html
Really interesting make-up game in Fenway.
Price holds the home squad to one run and it's 2-1 in the bottom of the eighth. (The Red Sox scored on a Pesky Pole homer by some schlepp Snyder.) With one out, the Sox hit back-to-back doubles but fail to score! (Second double looked like it could be caught so the runner advanced only to third.) Then Sam Fuld in as a defensive replacement throws out Nava trying to score from third on an ordinary fly to center -- the ump blew the call at home and Farrell is tossed.
Bottom of the ninth Ellsbury leads off with a single. Two foul bunts and a pop-out by Victorino, then Pedroia advances Jacoby on a hit-and-run groundout.
Maddon elects to IBB Papi, putting the potential winning run on base! Amazing. Seems like a foolish call, but I now give Maddon the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, Rodney throws a WP and the runners advance to second and third, and I'm thinking, "Yep, that's one of the reasons you don't walk the winning run to first base." Napoli goes full count... and strikes out to end the game.
Genius!
[10] In fact, Hughes and Lilly are an interesting comparison. In fact, they are nearly identical through the same point in their careers (though you could argue that Hughes is more advanced because he's about two years "ahead" of Lilly in terms of age v. service).
Lilly through age 27:
96 G, 71 GS, 430.2 IP, 375 K, 154 BB, 4.68 ERA, 96 ERA+, 1.340 WHIP, 1.4 HR/9
Lilly Through age 29:
153 G, 128 GS, 754.1 IP, 639 K, 301 BB, 4.67 ERA, 98 ERA+, 1.365 WHIP, 1.4 HR/9
Hughes through age 27:
172 G 123 GS, 747 IP, 628 K, 234 BB, 4.42 ERA, 97 ERA+, 1.299 WHIP, 1.3 HR/9
Also interesting, Lilly ran off his five straight solid seasons from age 30 through 34.
the organization will once again have failed to develop any of their own talent, except the "young" 30 y.o. Brett Gardner.
Huh?
24 men on the 40-man roster are "own talent" (drafted by the Yankees). Admittedly three of these are aging vets, but the rest obviously are not. Why did you single out Brett Gardner? Because he's so good, so young, so cute, so gritty, or what?
I might have picked Dave Robertson or Ivan Nova.
[16] I picked him because he is usually held out as the young player, but you look up and really he's not so young. And he's what, the only above average position player the team has developed in how many years? And even he was displaced to LF in deference to Grandy (a proven veteran whom the Yankees traded one of their then-prospects for).
The 40 man roster? What does that mean? What matters is who plays in the bigs, and the Yankees show a marked preference for aging veterans over internal options. That they developed a reliable relief pitcher (Robertson) is not much to get excited about. We'll see how Nova works out. I mean, we've been down this path before.
Okay, 15 on the 25 man roster. (I wasn't sure what counted as "developing" for you.)
The Yankees' strategy has been to draft pitchers and catchers with their (very limited) draft picks, and take long shots on potentially good position players. That doesn't seem like a bad strategy to me. They've also traded a few prospects, of course, but the Montero and Jackson trades also seem like pretty reasonable moves. (I'd love to have IPK or Tyler Clippard back, on the other hand.)
He certainly never lived up to the top of the rotation starter ceiling we hoped he'd reach as a prospect but it's not like he's been an abject failure either. He's a decent middle of the rotation righty who as a fly ball pitcher has trouble pitching at his home park (almost double ERA split). As a 27 year old he could be worse and he might get better. I guess a change of scenery in warranted. For prospect mavens like me it was fun watching him grow up and it's been nice to be able to count him as a Yankees farm system product pitching in the bigs. Personally I don't think they can get supplemental first round pick value for him if they move him now so I'd rather they hold him, make him a QO in the fall and get a pick or pitch him for another year if he accepts.