Yanks are bumping along. Some guys like Giancarlo Stanton and Aaron Hicks, both easy to root for, can’t stay on the field, which makes it frustrating to root for them.
Been listening to a majority of the games this year on the radio with John and Suzyn. They spend a good bit of each broadcast complaining about the state of the game today. And not just in the generic it-was-better-in-my-day kvetching, but unrelenting annoyance at what they are watching. Then I read baseball coverage or look at what’s being said on Twitter and whether you are an old school fan or a woke seamhead one thing everyone has in common is that they think the game is in a bad place aesthetically. And I cannot disagree though I have nothing insightful to suggest to make things better.
Is baseball the only sport where you see this much complaining by announcers, writers, and fans about the game itself?
More in Texas tonight.
Let’s Go Yank-ees!
Picture by Bags
[0] Interesting. There seems to be widespread ridicule of the extra-innings rule, credit to MLB for trying 'something' but this is a one & done for sure. But there are some real problems with the game, specifically the strike out rate is just out of control. I think Kay was saying the other day that the 'average' K rate now = Doctor K's incredible 1985 season's K rate! Just not enough in-game action, not enough speed, not enough strategy. I will always love having the game on in the background but sitting and watching intently night to night..not really enjoyable when even no-hitters are becoming 'blah'.
I've been watching a lot of basketball during the pandemic and the contrast between MLB and the NBA is very striking. The NBA isn't perfect but it does a good job in trying new things and promoting their best players. Baseball's biggest news yesterday is Tony LaRussa going full Grandpa Simpson and throwing his rookie star under the bus..
If you're not bitching, you're not living. America's new motto. Ugh. I tune into as many games as I can. I feel like I'm one of the only people on earth who doesn't give a shit about the man on 2nd extra inning deal. Meh. Maybe wait til the 12th inning or something.
Thanks for the new thread! I had nowhere meaningful to voice my displeasure at Frazier striking out 2x looking a few nights ago! ; )
[3] 12th inning I could get behind. Frazier..what happened with him? Can't all be the concussion, can it?
[2] Good point, Jazz. I have always hated LaRussa. Not sure why. He just seems like a big jagoff. Unfortuntely he appears to be very good at his job. Hard to hate that.
Looks like the barge at Lake LaMarre is not going to make it.
Hey, I just got a Japanese Uber Eats commercial on my feed. Big Brother is watching.
Tyler Wade did something. Sign of the Apocalypse?
Sac fly?! Who are these Yankees?
[crickets]
[9] Work call done, we got ANOTHER no-no going??
[6] Big middle finger to Uber and everything about them! :)
Farging MLB just cut out on my phone. It does that often. Usually when Judge is up.
Then I tried to log on with my laptop and it says content unavailable. WTF! I'm paying good money for this bullshit?!
Kay just said the "n" word. That's it. It's over.
[11] My mlb.com on the Apple TV was out earlier in the morning but is OK now.
I've never watched a full game of a Yankee no-no.
[14] I was watching Dave Righetti's on tv back in 1983! Missed Wells' and Cone's as had just come to Japan and obviously no online baseball then, just the nightly recap shows on local J tv (which were great)
[14] Me neither. I was at marching band practice during Righetti's, but some how we got the news out on the field. I forget how. Car radio during a bone break?
Gio is so good with the glove. I used to hate those kind of grounders that just eat you up quick (which is why they moved me to 2B halfway through the season..!)
I finally saw my 1st live Yankee triple play at some point in the last 15 years. I can't provide any details,however. I just know I saw it. Lol... 3 more outs!
[1] I'm kind of enjoying this 'blah' wannabe!
[16] Hah! I was only 9, I remember it was baking hot that day though, we were having a BBQ with my extended family, a lot of rum & cokes being poured
Great insight by Paulie on the nerves.
[20] Rum & cokes? Family BBQs? Salad days for sure.
My job was always shucking the corn. My dad's job was burning or under-cooking food.
Yikes!
Hello, Banterites! Had to check in and see how everyone is doing.
Huh, alerted to the no-no. I usually can’t stay up for later games, between the terrorists and looking after my parents.
[22] My family from Trinidad & Tobago, rum & cokes flowed freely!
I forgot Kluber is a two time Cy winner..
Whew! Off the bat I thought that was gonna land.
The one Tyler caught, I mean.
[14] I remember watching Jim Abbott's no-hitter in 1993 like it was yesterday. Hawkins, too, the 4-0 loss against the White Sox the year everything went wrong, but of course that isn't an official no-hitter any more.
Wade is in RF?
Oh hi Shaun, and rbj.
Cue up the Human Beinz!!!! I wonder who even gets that reference.
Klubot delivers!
Beauty!
Yes!!!! The Klube!
No hitter!
[30] Hey, RIYank - been too long! Good to see you.
Woo-hoo!
フレーーー!!
wooo hooo! Just had to pop in and say hurrah!
Who hates baseball? KLUBBBBER!
Gosh Kluber is so excited I'm worried he's going to have a stroke or something.
Night all.
[41] Hah! He'll go wild after he gets home, may even drink half a Bud-Light
KLUBOT!!!
I don’t hate baseball! What an outing by CK.
Now, I fully understand the Klubot moniker.
Yep Klubot totally fitting haha.
[0] Well AB, I don't watch enough other sports anymore to know if their fans complain like baseball fans complain about the aesthetics of their game these days.
I know a lot of NBA fans complained a TON back in late 90s and 2000s when Riley-style ugly defensive dominated; but some people really liked that style of play (I did not mind it at the start, but I did later). And I know NHL fans DESPISED the god awful neutral zone trap that the Devils popularized in the late 90s, claiming it ruined hockey - and it did; it was 100% why I stopped watching hockey. I suppose some fans liked it, but I don't why anyone would like a style of play that literally made such an exciting sport boring. So this isn't unprecedented.
That said, I do feel like we in baseball are stuck in a negative feedback loop: enough announcers and writers complain such that fans pick up that they should be complaining, too, and then the announcers and writers (not all of them) keep complaining because it's what the fans want, and the fans complain more, and... you get the point.
And then there are the idiots who hate baseball, like John Smoltz, who deserves to be fired more than Joe Morgan did back in the day because how do you possibly market your product by having someone constantly bemoan it in the dumbest way possible? Guys like Smoltz very much feel like a baseball-only problem.
Aesthetically, I think the only issue is there aren't enough balls in play (and thus "action" on the field), and I feel like the cause of that is the crazy rise in the strikeout rate. If MLB made the umps calls the rulebook strikezone, and took away the low strike, I suspect that would fix it (forcing pitchers to throw more pitches up in the zone to try to get strikes leads to more contact, which leads to more balls in play, QED). As the wise bird once said, why make big problems out of little problems?
But all this talk I read and hear about going back to 80s baseball... man, some of it was very exciting (Rickey!), but some of it was awful (I really do NOT want to see the return of the all glove no hit middle infielder; it's almost as bad as watching a pitcher hit). I feel like the awfulness has been forgotten in these discussions.
Day baseball!
Rats, Rangers broadcST.
A, a 3-6-5 DP
wasted lead off double.
A RISP hit! A run!
Judge comes through!
Though more crappy base running.
Charlie Brown!
More crappy baserunning
One
Two
Three. Though Chapman closing out a German game is not the best.
Thanks for the game comments rbj, day games no good for us here on the other side! Two straight shutouts is nice. On to the ChiSox!
Shaun P., Oddly enough the guys on MLB TV the other day were arguing that the increase in strikeouts is because of two things:
1. Hitters not adjusting their swings with two strikes and stiking with the swing that generates the best launch angle.
2. Pitchers pitching UP in the zone with more regularity than in the past, which was more east/west.
I kinda of agree with that. But I also think the shift is making the sport less fun to watch. There is nothing more frustrating than watching a hitter trying to pull a ball towards the 9 fielders than hit it where nobody is at.
Delino Deshields? I imagine they can find someone better in the minors.
[0] What I think is stunning is how quickly the pendulum has swung. It wasn't long ago that people were kvetching about how high-scoring the game had become, and I confess I was one of them. Remember Game 5 of the 2017 World Series? Astros 13, Dodgers 12. Out here in LA, it was the only thing anyone was talking about the next day. The universal reaction was, "Sucks that the Dodgers lost, but wasn't that a classic game?" My response was simple -- that wasn't baseball. I bemoaned the lack of drama, the lack of importance to any single run when you knew there would be a handful of runs scored the next inning.
And now just a few years later, we're up in arms about the lack of runs. It's hard for me to get too worked up over it. I've been watching baseball long enough to have seen the Astroturf-fueled go-go 80s, the steroid-fueled Bash Brother 90s, and now our current obsession with launch angle. Five years from now, perhaps when a less stubborn group of hitters forces teams to stop shifting, there will be something new about which to complain.
That's the strangest thing to me, by the way. In a numbers driven game, none of these left-handed hitters has decided to take the sure base hits that shifts are offering. Soon enough someone will.
Oh, one more thing. Remember a couple weeks ago when Judge struck out five times in a game after striking out three times the game before? When a reporter asked Boone about it afterwards, his response spoke volumes. He shrugged his shoulders and said, "I think he some good at bats. Would you rather he had rolled over on one and grounded out to third?" Um, yes.
Surgery for Hicks.
Fine form for the Yankees so far. All strikeouts.
Yay, a hit.
Another pitching duel.
Combined 24 Ks so far.
Hey, a run!
Gleyber Day!
Hmmm, Lasagna for the eighth in a 1-0 game.
Dare I say, this seem to be going according to plan?
I don’t mind John and Suszyn as much as some, but let me tell you what drives me crazy about Sterling. He’s so wrapped up in his home run calls that he starts his routine with every fly ball. But when the other team is batting, he has no sense of emotion that might tell you what’s happening, even in big moments. Like just now — up 1-0 with a runner on third, Madrigal bloops a ball to right. Sterling called it like there was nobody on base in the first inning, then as an after thought — “Eaton scores on the play.” It’s maddening.
I shouldn't have dared. But nonetheless, this is a fantastic game.
Dammit, walking the terrorists had the reverse effect.
Gawd, awful luck.
Jaysus H. Fucking Christ! That was not acceptable.
I hate the contact play.
Fio fucks sake.
Clusterfark.
Holy crap, a triple play!
WOW!
This is one of the best baseball games I have ever seen.
Gotta be a walk off.
Gleybar!!
I am wracking my brain to determine if I’ve ever seen a triple play before other than on sportscenter. If I have it was definitely not in as high a leverage position as that.
Honestly, I’m slightly giddy right now.
Huge W!
The Yankees win! With good old fashion base hits.
Three singles win the game. Maybe that’s the combination.
Gleyber seems to be settling into a groove now too. Bodes well.
[85] It's my first live one.
I think I’ve seen one live before, but can’t remember any details.
I think deep down, Gleyber is the heart & soul of this team. Judge may be the poster boy and certainly a stud, but I think the team rises and falls with Gleyber.
So I guess today is going to be a slugfest.
Bad umping again
Gleyber day! You hang 'em, I bang 'em!
I like this RISP hit thing.
And adding to it.
Hell yeah. Runs without homers? Who knew?
More runs. Walking the terrorists does work, I just can't have the game on on my phone.
Gee even more [98]
Christ! That's a routine out for MLB left fielder. Thanks, sox.
Great win!
Not fond of seeing Miggy Jr. in the outfield.
Um, he caught it.
Yes, even more RISP hits. I like this new philos0phy
Gleyber es en fuego.
Now that’s our Gleyber.
ouch
Oh, boo!
Don't get the Peralta love.
Argh. I knew that was going to happen. Not sure why we wasted an assest for someone not better than what's in AAA.
Lol. Peralta a victim of the 3 hitter rule? Did he really say that? If you can't get right-handed hitters out you're not a major leaguer.
Le Machine with the glove
I accept gift runs
Dammit
Insurance, please.
Nope, but one down.
Shit
Almost had a heart attack on Clint's steal
Walk off walk!
Sweep
Greetings folks... A little something to think about, and that is... how valuable has Gritner been to the Yankees? So (one method) I looked up, BR-WAR says:
14. Robinson Cano 44.4
15. Graig Nettles 44.4
16. Earle Combs 43.9
17. Brett Gardner 43.0
18. Jorge Posada 42.7
19. Charlie Keller 42.4
29. Don Mattingly 42.4
21. Phil Rizzu 41.9
The guy has been solid. We paid him about $2,000,000 / WAR.
Let’s go
Damn, a hit.
And now a starter gives up a run.
Kluber suddenly taken out?? :(
Hmm, not liking the Klubot being taken out.
Sigh.
[120] Hi OYF! Interesting to see Gardner has more WAR than Posada..
Runs would be nice.
Tightness in Klubot’s right shoulder.
Not much energy in this game tonight..Vladdy Jr is no joke though.
Looking forward to Lakers - Suns at 1130 here
Well the good news about Kluber is at least Cashman should be able to go out and get someone else having saved money filling out the rotation shopping at the clearance rack this past off season.
Is Kay having some depth perception problems with his eyes? I get it when announcing remotely for the away games, but his call on Frazier just now..that wasn't even close to going out but he couldn't tell.
[130] Klubot is making $11m. Is that considered dumpster diving?
And somehow our Pitching has been great, while our Offense has been pathetic. We are lucky to be only 1 game out. To me, I have been watching under .500 team play.
[132] Didn't say dumpster diving but a 1 year deal for a 35 year old is like the Webster's definition for bargain shopping.
Rain out, DH tomorrow @ 4 pm.
Kluber being on the shelf was probably to be expected given his age and injury history but what the heck is Voit's problem? Did he swing too violently or do something stupid (again) at the gym?
Man this team is so hard to follow. Can't wait for the annual "next man up" to be uttered by Boone. Every time I hear that it translates to "oh maybe next year we'll do better after we bring in some more brittle players".
[135] I heard him say that today.
Oh, Florial for game two
They need to close the weight room and have these guys do an hour of yoga every day. Remember Ichiro? 12 years in a row of over 600 AB. I think he was only DL'ed once in 19 years. The guy was always stretching. Always stretching. We need more fat, less muscle. (j/k.... but ya know... ya can't pull fat!)
Ah, an URP.
Who didn’t see that out at home coming.
Sigh
Tied up
Kraken is only mostly dead.
By mostly dead, you meant brain dead right?
Nevermind. I guess he was waved in by the coach. How that happened seems inexplicable to me.
Home run. Catchers and pitchers should only go base to base. Obligatory nod to Chief Ming Wang.
Had second Moderne shot yesterday. Fever, headache, nausea so I’m taking a pass on tonight’s game.
Oddly enough those are the same symptoms I have watching this team's offense.
Of course a DP.
Yankees should copycat other teams and get hits with RISP.
Fuck you blue
What the hell is Stanton swinging at?
Man, this team as a bad vibe and it's bringing me down. Good luck fellas, I'm going to bed.
This is not a good team.
Off t walk the terrorists.
Puke.
Bad hitting, mediocre pitching, and poor fielding. But at least this team excels in baserunning blunders.
It's really time to fire Aaron Boone.
I didn’t even bother watching.
Can't they find a good fielding outfielder who can hit at least .700 OPS to cover CF? Gardner is not the answer, but appears to be the only one who can field the position.
[160] Well, it would ruin this team's chances of having the MLB's lowest team batting average. Seriously though, this team used to hit homers but they arent even good at that. No little ball, no big ball, no speed, no defense but we got a Cole and a Chapman and a next man up strategy.
Sheeaht, it's bad enough that the Yanks are struggling, but do we have listen to Flash in the booth. Can't stand that guy.
Mike Ford is batting 5th. So that's what it's come down to?
Every time I blink the Yankees have batted and are back on the field for defense.
I’m not wasting my phone’s battery on this team until they show me something.
I've been keeping one eye on this suckhole of a team for a week. I've been too busy rooting for certain hockey teams to lose in the 1st 2 rounds. Glad to see them not losing in the 5th inning. Huzzah!
Atta boy, Gary! Unfuckingbelievable!
FRAZIER!
How did this team go from breaking home run records just two years ago to being one of the most anemic offenses in all of baseball with basically the same lineup? Which is another way of saying, how is Thames still employed?
Most satisfying.
Frazier's one hit per month not with standing. Lol