Yanks are close. But close doesn’t count, do she?
People get ready. G’wan be lots of cheering tonight as the pennant is on the line for the New Yorkers.
Give ’em hell, boys:
Let’s Go Yan-Kees!
Yanks are close. But close doesn’t count, do she?
People get ready. G’wan be lots of cheering tonight as the pennant is on the line for the New Yorkers.
Give ’em hell, boys:
Let’s Go Yan-Kees!
Godzilla is DH, Jorgie's on the bench. Izturis & Mathis are both in. i think that's a whole lot better than Kendrick & Napoli, though it may be a matchup thing and Mathis already broke my heart...
Derek Jeter SS
Johnny Damon LF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Hideki Matsui DH
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Melky Cabrera CF
Jose Molina C
LET'S GO YAN-KEES !! !!!
end this *tonight*
[1] Anything can happen in a small sample, but give a guy enough plate appearances, and he'll revert to form. That is, celebrate that Scioscia sat Napoli's much better bat!
Let us also hope that if AJ gets into trouble and gets pulled, Girardi does not wait to insert Posada's bat back into the lineup.
Going to be a fun game! Unfortunately I'll miss the live game thread. I'll be dvring and watching later tonight or possibly even tomorrow morning. Have fun folks!!
I really don't like all this talk about a Yankee-Philly World Series. I'm guilty too, but I wish it would stop until the Yankees make it in.
[1] Mathis broke your heart???
We ain't playin' horseshoes or tossin' grenades, so there's no done deal.
Now what's the over/under on how many times the announcers mention 2004?
I peg it at 70.
[5] don't you remember game 3?
Hope you guys haven't bought your old Yankee Stadium seats yet from Steiner Sports:
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/steiner-sports-yanks-sued-over-stadium-chair-sales-18812/
[7] Yeah, that wasn't heartbreaking to me. Damn, some of youse are sensitive!
Here's hoping that Good AJ toes the rubber tonight and that a certain truck hasn't left Anaheim just yet.
I may not be able to watch it live, but I'll be a nervous wreck nonetheless.
I'm sitting in the Detroit airport waiting for my connection to Birmingham. What a crazy way to get home from phoenix! Anyway I will miss the first 2-3 innings, But I will try to set the banter record for distance traveled between comments on the same post (I doubt I will really have the record but I'm claiming it!).
Go yanks! Finish it tonight and line up that rotation again!
we'd better win tonight cause 6 days til the world series is nothing compared to 2 days til game 6.
Got a bad feeling about Burnett tonight.
[11] Funny. I went from Anchorage to Portland (OR) once this season during a game, but I don't think I had any posts. So you're record's safe with me.
[13] Jeez. With fans like you, who needs enemies?
[14] Funny, because the proprietor of this blog has the same feeling. It should also be said that fans, even the most die hard fans, are allowed to have a bad feeling about a player whose performance throughout the season has been inconsistent to say the least. Or do you insist on sheltering yourself from reality?
[15] Here's some reality for ya: I have a bad feeling about John Lackey getting shelled tonight!!!!! Put that in your neurotic pipe and smoke it!!
Also, let's not get all touchy-feelie, but you are of course allowed to have whatever feelings you wish. And those feelings are valid. Even if they're ridiculous. : P
[16] I sincerely hope you're right!
[16] ooooh... I like that! Pessimistic feelings are valid but rediculous (FAVBR) !!!
[13] I put it more in the queasy feeling category. Just figure that's gonna be normal with A.J.
I want to see "Big Game" AJ go 7 shutout innings with 10 walks and 5 hbp ( 3 for Choad and 2 for Snoop) just for kicks. : D
GO YANKEES!!!
this is fun to pass some time
http://www.sporcle.com/games/Chris968/1998_yankees
[17] I know you do!
[20] That's the right idea!
[21] Pretty fun. Even though my performance was embarrassing.
Unlike the dreaded, hated, repulsive 2004 in which a 3-0 lead succumbed to loss 1 followed by loss 2...you remember, THIS series the Yankees have had their loss and rebounded.
I hope you are quite disappointed if you are holding tickets for Saturday.
[21] A little more than half. I was living in Colorado that year and one of the best Yankee years ever was completely off my radar. A few years before the intertubes blew up. : ( Dale Sveum. Mike Lowell. Many of those pitchers mentioned I'd never heard of. Ha.
has anyone figured why there is a delay in timmay joining buck - not that i am complaining or anything
Too much is being made of the Yankees being up in this series 3 games to 1, but the fact of the matter is that if viewed in isolation, this matchup would probably be considered at least a slight advantage for the Angels. Closing out the series is not about having the killer instinct, but beating a good pitcher.
[26] You've probably seen this, but it cannot be said enough:
http://shutuptimmccarver.com/
LETS RING THAT CHAMPIONSHIP BELL!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXvYEY7Qcyo
Prefer the TBS Broadcast team to Fox cast.... Darling was really sharp....
goddamn, he's some kinda ugly !!!
Serve the Servant. And serve him early and often.
i LOVE my Captain!!!!!
now DON'T get picked off!!!
[23] [25] somehow i remembered mike buddie (because he started one of my favorite 98 games against oakland, when strawberry had a pinch hit grand slam to tie it in the 9th) and forgot homer bush, who i liked much more than he deserved at the time.
good job, Johnny!
double steal !!! ; )
I like the way the game's started.
what bullshit
fuck you, blue!
Early bad call by the umps.
Strike three? Really?
do it again, Alex !!!
The Yankees would be a machine if Teixeira would wake up.
Not clutch.
crud.
fuckin' bollocks.
i hope Mats makes this stand up...
Not scoring here could really give the Angels a lift...this is a very big, early AB by Matsui. I think the mistake Tex and Arod made was laying off that first pitch curve.
In the cold of game 1, Lackey threw a ton of curves and it looks like that is the game plan tonight. The Yankees have to be prepared to jump on them.
Oh, so we're back to this shit?
the biggest problem with umpiring is the inconsistent ball and strike calls. umpires are inconsistent and are often influenced by the game situation.
[28] nice aO
way to lay off that pitch mats
what a waste.
at least Lackey's in-game WHIP is 2 ; )
yuck - not cool 3-5
[49] Exactly.
Pretty good hitting, but no results.
Okay, so, we're going to hit Lackey. Now comes the interesting part.
Very bad job by the Yankees...they seemed fooled by the curve, even though Lackey has shown that is the pitch he trusts the most. With Molina in the lineup, you can't give away chances like that.
Meanwhile, bad call or not, Teixeira has to start hitting. He is lucky Arod has had his back so far because otherwise he would be the #1 whipping boy.
[55] it feels like the beginning of the end.
[54] if by interesting you mean a draining roller coaster ride of exhilaration and dread - yeah here it comes
I have the same feeling as I had in game 4. This will not be a close game. The team to break out first will win going away. Hopefully, the Yankees haven't given away their chance to do that.
[58] i'll be happy with a 10-1 game
strikes, dude. throw 'em
Uh oh...early wildness for AJ.
In the process of putting the kids to bed...
(I'm nervous...)
Back soon...
[59] It could be 10-1 Anaheim.
start warming someone up!
I have a good idea: not walking Chone.
fucking crap.
that'll turn into a leadoff double in about 20 seconds
[65] I still think my idea was better.
Huge early inning situation for both pitchers. The Yankees bailed out Lackey...now AJ needs to make sure he doesn't give it up.
Oh, mother of God...
Grrrr.
Wasn't a terrible pitch.
here we go. this was easy to call, i think.
why'd it take melky take soooo long to get there?
This game is going to get ugly.
fuck - i hope i am not using up my quota too soon
I remember this team.
awesome. just fucking great.
it's going to be one of those nights
so Saturday's game...
Definitely a very queasy feeling now.
[73] he was shading to left-center
[73] Playing him the other way, looks like.
Yow, that was fast! Spotting them a 2 run lead. Interesting approach.
Great.
[79] I was just starting to think the same thought.
The difference in the inning is the Angels were ready for AJ, while the Yankees got men on base and then allowed Lackey to drop curves into the zone. This deficit is almost as much about a lack of preparation as it is poor execution.
I feel ill.
i'm sure glad Posada, who hits Lackey well, is on the bench.
fuck you AJ
how did they fuck up that relay? he should not have scored.
Well at least I'll be able to go to bed early tonight.
fuck this put po in
oh shit oh shit oh shit
[87] Girardi has to pinch hit for Molina in his next AB.
i won't be around for saturday's game. it might get rained out though.
i'd much rather hold them here and win TONIGHT!!!
he also has to get aj out of this game
I'm so glad Jorgie isn't catching AJ. Let the blame go to Molina.
Joe better put Jorgie in because the Yankees will be needing the offense.
Not one out to speak of.
Girardi has to go to Aceves and Gaudin immediately. He should know that AJ does not right the ship when he has no command of the breaking pitch.
just onto Gameday..oh no, is it bad AJ?
Game 5, 2002.
Auspicious, no?
good god they're going to bat around before they even get a friggin out
OMG.
i need to go get dinner. i'm not doing this again on an empty stomach.
really, at this point, i can't see us winning this damn series. i know, i know...
All right, who gave the score truck the wrong directions?
You could see this coming from a mile away...one team was prepared for the opposing pitcher and the other was not.
Well, at least this is happening in Game 5 up 3-1, as opposed to Game 7 in 2004.
Well I'd say we spotted them enough of a lead
Wow!
Maybe forget Posada, go straight for Cervelli.
[104] Well, it is fairly hard to prepare for a good Lackey, and quite easy to prepare for an off-target Burnett.
I can't believe that there are no outs.
aj looks awful. his arm angle is way down. he can't keep pitching here.
Is anyone warming up?
Goddamn.
An out.
yiikes. finally an out. shoulda been on strikes...
burnett doesn't have shit - you don't have to prepare for that
[golf clap] finally AJ gets an out
4 runs is nothing for the Yanks but they have to take out AJ NOW!
[108] On the contrary..after watching in game 1, it should have been obvious that he would go to his curve in pressure situations. Tex, Arod and Matsui all allowed hittable curves to pass. Meanwhile, the Angels have figured out that you hunt for AJ's fastball.
40 minutes till The Office!!
Good point at [95] Simone. If Posada were catching, he'd get half the 'credit' for this start.
[114] Seriously. How can anyone prepare for AJ not having any control? Pure babble.
I'm glad we've got CC looming.
[98] Not merely bad AJ, downright fucking awful AJ.
[118] That's the second time you've typed what I was thinking.
Long relief - Gaudin? Robertson? Aceves? what's your call
Preparing for this edition of AJ is just called "batting practice". Teams do it every day.
well, there's that...
[124] Aceves for 2-3 innings and then Gaudin for length if the deficit remains.
I can't believe we turned that.
All right, to chip away...
believe it or not 4-0 is not impossible
[124] i'd go with gaudin first here
Now send AJ out to pick up pizzas for the team. Tell him he has to go to San Fransisco to get them.
Gaudin, most rested and pitched well the other night.
There, see how easy?
And now, time to get some base runners and this time plate some.
william, are you kidding me on the offense? Matsui's at bat was terrible, but Teix was called out on a bad call and A-Rod gets a pass right now. Burnett has been terrible, it has nothing to do with superior preparation by the Angels.
Now watch Burnett cruise for the next five innings. Wouldn't surprise me a bit.
Bad sign: When you're down 4-0 before Fox shows the "scouting report"
[14] Apology accepted.
The Yankees are going to win this game, I am 100% confident!
[135] Same here.
[135] I could totally see it
We can come back from 4 runs down but Tex, Swish, Matts and Robbie have to start hitting better.
[135] it would surprise me because he had nothing. his arm angle was down, his fastball velocity was down, and most of his curves were too straight. and he hasn't shown an ability to fix that mid-game in the past.
if Boras doesn't stop staring at me he's gonna get smacked
Posada better be batting for Molina.
[134] Tex took a hook right over the plate early in the count and then took a hanger that was just off the plate. It was ball 4, but it was also close and very hittable. Arod aslo took a hook right over the plate. Matsui let several hittable pitches go. After seeing game 1, they should have been sitting off speed. Letting him get free strikes with hittable curves is a lack of preparation in my book. Lackey is not going to get beat with his fastball in the middle of the order.
I'd rather AJ get his bad inning out of the way in the first. Now he he can get down to business and hold these scumbuckets while the O does their thing. No worries.
[129] No, but we have to keep it there; that's the trick.
dammit, just a few feet short for the birthday boy...
(134) on the other hand, it was a pretty safe bet that Lackey would come out with aggressive first strike pitches while the Yankees exercised their "patience" at the plate.
but I don't think any preparation resulted in that cluster of pitches from aj
the ball sounds different on today's broadcast. louder, more up front...
(146) one bad inning? I can live with that
Hm, no opportunity to PH -- I didn't notice who was in the on deck circle. Anyone?
That was quick.
[149] I think what most people think you should do is be patient with Burnett when he isn't getting his curve over, but the reality is that when you attack him because he starts throwing the fastball over the middle. Maybe the Angels just got lucky, but I'd give them the benefit of the doubt in understanding Burnett's pattern.
not even close. but we have no idea if aj could get those calls too, since he can only get lucky to locate it there, and hasn't yet.
[154] except that his fastball was flat and low 90s
[156] That's what happens to his fastball when he doesn't have command. Instead of letting it fly, he starts trying to locate it, which leads to a lack of velocity and movement. Had the Angels taken first pitches like the Yankees did, they would have fallen behind and then opened themselves up to better pitches.
oh he got lucky there. answer is he will not get that call right now.
Girardi should have Aceves or Gaudin up right now.
[157] You seem to have forgotten how the Angels' inning began. How quickly they forget!
[159] Agreed.
AJ out. Now.
Damn. AJ better hold them at 4 runs or this game will get even uglier.
Attaboy. Nice and easy.
almost every pitch has been hit hard.
[160] I didn't forget...that's my point. After seeing that walk, it would have been easy for the Angels to take a strike. Had they done that, they wouldn't have 4 runs. Instead, they were aggressive. The Yankees, on the other hand, were not. If Tex, Arod and Matsui had attacked those early curves, it could have been 4-0 before the Angels came to the plate.
[163] Well, yeah, kind of by definition, I guess.
lucky inning there
[166] Huh.
Mathis was patient, took two balls, got a good count, knocked a lead-off hit.
has anyone else noticed how often jeter is coughing? what's up with that?
Jeff Mathis is hitting .571, Teixiera .105
Joe g is choosing NOW to "under-manage"? the pen is fully rested, I would get AJ out now and let the offense try and get it back.
[170] He's got a cold.
[170] he is sick
See. Piece of cake. Now let's get a few runs so people can climb back on the ship.
[170] It's been widely reported. He's got a cold or something. He left BP yesterday clutching a bottle of Nyquil (or something like that).
[166] i think the best strategy now is to make lackey work. maybe they could have hit some of those early strikes, but now i'm glad they made him throw a few more.
Fuck AJ
Tomorrow is a day off, plus Saturday may be rained out, so use the pen.
[174] Wasn't me, I declined the sleep-over invite last week.
[169] He took two balls...patience is about taking balls, not hittable pitches. The Yankee batters took curves right over the plate. I am sure they were sitting fastball, but then that's not being prepared for Lackey.
there should be a link next to each comment that inserts the comment number in the text box (but doesn't automatically scroll down to it)
After 1 we were on pace to lose 36 to zip. Now we are on pace to only lose 18-0. We are closing the gap and fast.
Hm. Molina swatting at the first pitch. Hacker.
[177] You may be right - amazingly Burnett hasn't thrown a lot of pitches. If he can settle down and throw a few more goose eggs up there, and the Yankees work Lackey a bit... we're far from out of this game.
Yeah, we need basecloggers, so swing at the first pitch and pop up.
Molina should not have batted there.
You can easily see Lackey's pattern...fastballs to the bottom and curves to the middle.
Jeter hacking at the second pitch. Terrible.
out???
OK... Now for the good nws:
1) Nobody will have to stay up too late tonight
2) Jose Molina won't get another AB until 2010
3) Game 6 ticket holders have something to look forward to
4) We get to clinch at Home
5) Teix might not swing for a HR sometime this series
6) We will be sharper then the Phillies
7) We will prove that not every year that we have a lead is 2004
8) Hopefully, someone in the Yankee dugout will be really pissed
shit
I can't believe they didn't show any patience. Horrible early count hacking.
Whenever the Yankees attack a pitcher and are unsuccessful they should be patient. Whenever they are patient and are unsuccessful they they should be aggressive. It's very simple. They obviously didn't even know who was pitching tonight and are planless.
Another good call.
At least Damon made Lackey run.
That wasn't even close!
More bad umpiring.
This is now a house money game.
more fucked up umping
Another blown call.
Why the hell is Molina batting?
[190] You are giving up already?
Did you watch any games this season?
i am in a really foul mood
(188) "hacking" seems to be the operative word
(180) funny
Ah, well our first blown call of the night. Feels like a real postseason game now.
[193] Yes, that's it, Just. I was only pointing out specific examples of your general principle.
you think the angels will replay that on the big screen? i wouldn't expect a makeup call for the yankees.
Again, the bullpen should be up.
The Fox feed in DC is ages behind the radio call. Very annoying
[206] Again I agree.
is this the first sign that this assmunch has settled down?
[207] Ah, you're trying to avoid McC and Buck. Foolish Yankee fan!
I can't get on AJ too much (yet). The Angels had the perfect game plan. My early game ire is more for the poor approach in that first inning.
See, that's the patient approach that the Yankees should have.
I wish they would show the bullpen...Girardi has to have them up, right?
Molina is in this game to keep A.J. pitching tight, but that opportunity came and went.
How disruptive to A.J. would it be to switch catchers mid-game? He's on a short leash already... I say be greedy and put Jorge in, except It's too late since his AB already went by
Just hold 'em at 4 for chrissakes, AJ!!
[209] guess fucking not
william this has nothing to do with a gameplan - he is pitching like shit and has all 3 innings
[209] nope
[209] Nope.
goes to kitchen to pour himself a bourbon
[210] RIYank, how's Donnie Baseball Jr. doing? Back in school?
I got my Samurai hat on today,made it into ACME Investiagtions for some "work"!
[214] next time molina is up
[216] Lackey pitched like crap in the first inning, but the Yankees let him off the hook. The Angels could have done the same if they had taken those hit me fastballs early in the count.
[210] hanging my head in shame
Oh my God.
wow
This instant replay will lengthen games argument is BS. How much longer is a replay as opposed to watching a player and manager argue for 3 minutes?
Joe...where is the bullpen?
[219] No, he's feeling better but not well enough to be in school. Maybe tomorrow.
Did you get any serious meds?
I know it's just because I'm an old fart, but when AJ stinks up the joint like he often does I really get pissed that he insists on wearing that titanium necklace thing. The holistic crap just effing his game up.
[220] I sure hope so, but Joe seems pretty hesitant to PH for Molina with AJ still in the game. I think this situation came up before in the 6th inning or so, and he didn't put the pinch on.
was that called a ball?
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
i'm really glad Molina's in the game!
fuck you AJ
[221] the gameplan against aj would be mute if he had good stuff - basically every pitch he is throwing is hittable
oh my god he could have run to san fran in that time
GET THE BULLPEN IN
anybody, please
Why bother throwing over to first all those times and then just ignore the runner?
Good thing Molina's in there.
MOLINA !!! : /
[233] Right...and it would be mute if Lackey had good stuff too. But in the first inning, the Yankees took a handful of hanging breaking balls that should have been hammered.
[234] i think kurt russell is at the game - i would guess he could do better than this
Nice check on the runner there AJ. Well at least we don't have to worry about him being distracted by runners on base.
he's just coming apart at the seams now
Joe???? Help here?
Great rundown, boys.
a break there. but Vlad's at 2nd...
Isn't Molina supposed to fake pump once?
[238] arod and matsui didn't have the greatest abs - however the angels could have gone up their with wiffle bats and still pummeled the bullshit aj is throwing
So Molina is in this game for....? his cheery demeanor?
[245] I heard A-Rod had great abs. No?
This is frustrating, but the Yanks have come back from worse.
[232] [236] My thought exactly! Same thing happened in Game 2 - how many balls got away from Molina that night too? Seemed like a lot. I think this "AJ can't pitch to Posada" b.s. has got to go. I'm not seeing anything from AJ tonight to make think its worth not having Posada's bat in the lineup.
[245] Teixeira's AB was bad too...he had several pitches to hit. I am not suggesting AJ pitched well...just that the Angels knew how to take advantage of it.
I wouldn't wait until the PH to replace Molina. Might as well get Jorge into the flow of the game and give him some work with AJ asap.
man, they are hitting him HARD
Another well struck ball against AJ.
time to get going offense
does this count as settling down?
aj's not going to keep getting that lucky. i think it's enough to have stolen 2 innings. i'd keep him in batter to batter in the 4th.
So, what did I miss?
Well, Burnett didn't exactly find lightning in a bottle, but he's been okay.
Need some base runners, let's get it STAH-ted.
Again, why the fuck can't baseball's replay system be like the one at The US Open? It goes on the 100 yard long large screen digital board and the whole stadium knows the results in 2 seconds.
Bend don't break
Bend don't break
Bend don't break
Chip Away!
[248] at the very least let's hope this ridiculous aj/molina pairing is now MUTE!!
IF, i repeat if the yanks make the ws - we do not need a a batting order with molina and burnett in it
[256] Bad AJ in the first frame, basically. Couple of squandered hits in the first. Much Benter fuming. Not much else.
[256] :)
It's time for Teixiera to NOT try to hit a grand slam with the bases empty and just get his ass on base.
[256] pinpoint control, good umpiring, clutch at-bats... : /
[254] i guess so if you are comparing it to that 1st inning
It's going to be a battle of bullpens. Let's go O!
[248] This might debunk the AJ + Jose > AJ + Jorge rumor
I have to say, as much as I don't like Joe Buck, at least he correctly identifies fly outs to the outfield as opposed to Caray or Sterling who think everything is going back, back, back...well hit...caught by the SS.
The problem with instant replay in baseball is there is so much action off the ball. For example, what if on the Damon play the bases were loaded. After Damon is called out, the runners leave the field, but if he had been called safe maybe that second runner scores from 2B? How do you determine the ramifications? The same thing would apply in fair/foul calls with men on base. It's not as simple as it seems.
[227] Glad to hear he's doing better. I got a big bag o' medecine here, including something with codeine in it..hence, my optimism about this game :)
Does Tex not realize he is going to get a heavy diet of curves?
Tex, just a reminder that this is October not April. It's ok to start hitting again.
Thank you
that'll do tex
Yeah! Nice little single.
[259] does that have anything to do with fisting?! ; )
that's it Tex.
half this deficit A-Rod
Wonderful, a hit. By Mark Teixeira no less.
[269] Similar problems in football, though, and they manage.
I'd have a review guy up in a booth, like in college football.
What an ass. Teix is looking in and watches 4 balls away that SHOULD have been hammered. He finally gets a pitch in and only hits a single. I hope AROD does better. : )
[278] Not really though because only the ball counts in football. What the other players are doing is kind of irrelevant.
[269] it's not simple, but there are already rules like automatic doubles, and that seems a lot better than terrible calls standing.
Some of the pitches Teixeira takes are maddening
Try to sneak one in there again Servant.
[281] But automatic doubles don't impact how runners would behave.
Should've swung at that one.
[279] Teix can't decide between a rally killing homer or clogging the bases.
ah shit that was a meatball
that is decidedly inconvenient
Its one of those games. Posada will do the same when he comes in. Probably on three pitches.
Now Lackey is pitching well, which is bad news for the Yankees.
great story, shut up, timmay
Motherfucker.
[280] When the whistle blows, players stop. If the call is overturned on review, they can't complete the play. Similarly if a ball called a drop is later determined to be a complete pass, or overturning a fumble call.
the angels are getting a bit lucky here too
Matsui is the new slowest man on earth
Just a hit here. Chip away.
[284] a better example is interference. these plays affect the ensuing action and the rules determine how much of that action counts. at any rate, whatever they do would be better than the bad call, no?
[293] In the NFL, a blown whistle kills the play and nullifies replay. How often do you hear the ref say the play cannot be reviewed because the whistle was blown?
Just one Robbie. C'mon Dude.
robbie coulda drilled that first pitch...
[298] Uh, no, that's not true. Used to be true, no longer.
[297] If the replay rules can't effectively account for how the action is mapped out, then no, it isn't better than a missed call.
Please don't swing at a curveball in the dirt.
oh motherfucker.
[301] I believe it still applies is many situations.
Please stop with the shots of John Lackey's face. People are eating.
Only 52 pitches so far for Lackey. It's imperative to hold them at 4 if we want to have a shot.
By the way, it's very annoying that the NFL rules can't be found on-line. You can find dumbed-down, abridged, summary sets of rules, but not the actual rules.
[302] if the rules made no sense, no one would want them.
in your example, if damon is called out and then replay shows he was safe, each runner advancing one base would be better than the out call standing.
[200] I am not giving up. Just trying to be positive. I plan on watching a NY World Series.
just so you know what kind of 24 hours i've had - and what my luck is in general - ...i just had dinner from an Asian noodle house. my fortune cookie had NO fortune in it. that's just fucking awesome.
i can't wait to get drunk later...
: (
[308] I think you are getting confused by "down by contact" and blowing the whistle. The following is from profootballinsider on October 11:
"Then the officials explained that the call on the field wasn't "down by contact," but that the whistle had blown because the runner's forward progress had been stopped.
The former is reviewable; the latter isn't"
[311] That's an existentialist fortune cookie, thelarmis. It has a much deeper meaning than the usual cookie. Your future is not in the cookies, but in yourself.
I have never tasted Asian noodles, by the way.
[311] Here ya go, thelarmis! http://predictions.astrology.com/fc/
[312] Stop talking about football! :)
There is something wrong with Tim McCarver.
[308] Really? I think that says a lot about football v. baseball... the complete MLB rules are posted in about 10,000 different places.
Thanks for your thoughts on the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders, McCarver. Ugh.
so would we joe - stfu
it's jeff fucking mathis. what the fuck?! : /
I found it interesting that Buck had an intelligent and correct call on Replay, while Timmy gave us his 'I dont believe in dinosaurs' opinion.
william is correct, once the whistle blows they won't undo what ensues. they may overturn the call that led to the whistle in some circumstances (like whether the ball touched the ground before being caught), but they won't count what happens after a whistle.
[309] I am just not a fan of action that happens but really doesn't, or that doesn't happen, but then gets improvised.
DIAF MATHIS.
[320] maybe calr everett could have a little chat with timmy
[323] Now, now...
Jeff Mathis is 2009's Al Weis
Hey... and I thought Clive Bunker was an awesome drummer. Another good one is Aynsley Dunbar.
[321] i mean they won't undo the call to instead count what ensues
this fucktard is now doing well enough that girardi will trust him but i don't think well enough that he may actually hold this thing to 4 runs
[313] very profound, thanks man! oh, and you'd be quite impressed with this Spicy Thai Basil w/ Chicken dish. i eat *everything* in it and there's all kindsa veggies! thankfully, no broccoli : )
[314] thanks man, that was cool. i got a decent fortune there, but it's something i already do. and, man, i'm scoring some cool ass blue note cd's here lately!
can we please find our Score Truck now?!?!
Also, here's a better example:
Damon is called out (for the second out), prompting the runner from 2B to try and score because with two outs, it's a worthwhile risk. On the ensuing play, he is thrown out at home. Now, had Damon originally been called safe, the runner would have held at 3B with 1 out.
How do you rectify that situation? Baseball is so different from football. I don't think replay is the easy answer.
[309] Correct. There are already some groundrule plays where the ump decides how many bases a runner advances. It's not like it's virgin territory.
[322] but the question is whether you're more a fan of action that does happen being called incorrectly by the umps, which is the same as what you're saying but worse because it's even less fair to the team against which the bad call was made
[315] Oops, sorry. But
[328] I think that's wrong.
But that's it, no more football.
[325] When I clicked on your name my first reaction was, I have a yellow lab, too. : )
I will refrain from any more arson suggestions.
[323] i've been saying the DIAF to myself about the fuckhead(s) downstairs.
Come on Swisher.
[333] The heart of a baseball game is based on a nebulous call: ball versus strike. I think it can survive a few blown calls.
[327] both are good.
This is where Nady really would've come in handy. Swisher has been worthless, but what can you do about it?
[331] that is a better example, and it would have to be considered carefully when determining the rules. but i still think that it would be better than it is now. eventually, though, i think all umpiring could be done by computer immediately.
wow, a real base hit. : o
do the titanium necklaces come with mantras that we could use right now?
Swisher has actually managed to look worse and worse with each passing AB.
Posada MUST bat here.
good move joe
Whew, I thought Molina was going to bat....
praise Jobu
When Swisher sets the bp machine on curveball does he look that stupid. CRAP. Hey Melk, now. yay Joey Joe Joe.
[331] So you don't like a runner getting stuck on 3rd when he might have gotten the plate, but you're OK with JD getting called out and the runner gets.... to put his glove back on? That makes sense to you?
oh, thank god. i was getting *pissed* to see Molina there.
let's go Jorgie!!!
Po's sportin' a bit of a beard. me likey!
Po - SAD- ahhhhhh
[348] you are in rare form tonight just fair - angel hatred got you there? :}
[350] oh, that could read weird! i've just been noticing more facial hair on the yanks lately - Andy, Swish, Po. it's different. kinda cool, thazzall...
careful, Melk
[349] It could work both ways though...what if the runner scores, but you have a rule that says everyone goes back to the base? Do you oenalize the offense by taking a run off the board?
[353] yeah they are pushing the not shaving on the day of the game to several days
holy hottie behind the net in a NY hat!
of fer fucks sake, jorgie!!! : /
fuck - god damnit po
Molina coulda/woulda done that.
WE WANT MOLINA
WE WANT MOLINA
[334] when the whistle blows the play is dead even if the call is reversed. i've never seen play that happens after the whistle is blown counting, and i've often seen the call reversed when that would have been possible. including this year (one example is when kenny phillips actually intercepted a ball against dallas and ran it in for a touchdown, but the play had been whistled dead because the ref thought it had hit the ground when it bounced off the defender's foot). i'll stop talking about football now.
What an awful AB by Posada.
Come on, Derek.
Lackey doesn't look very good to me, yet he's mowing them down. Shows what little I know about baseball.
Is there anyone here who thought Posada wouldn't strikeout looking?
Goddamn it.
[359] Molina would have swung and maybe done something by accident.
nice meeting of the minds there
He's making us look like little leaguers.
The bright side is that at least the Yankees get Lackey out of the way for the series. The not so bright side is this offense has really not been consistent and way too heavily reliant on 3 or 4 players. Game 6 is going to be very anxious.
[365] I thought he would hit into a DP, actually, so: pleasantly surprised!
[367] Probably a DP.
As my meds wear off I am losing optimism..Guys, rev up the Score Truck please so I don't become an addict...
Listening to McCarve and Buck fellate Mathis is making me sick.
[370] You give up to huh?
This is horrific.
[357] I saw her, and knew you'd post something about her :)
[352] I can understand being shut down by many pitchers, but not Lackey. They Yanks seem to be guessing on every pitch on they're guessing wrong 99% of the time. His curveballs are just dropping in there and his fastball is anything but overpowering. UGH
that's crap jeter
This feels like game 6 of the 2004 ALCS. Thank God it's only game 5.
lackey is completely fooling the yanks
[375] Sometimes the writing is just on the wall. The Yankees effort out of the gate has left something to be desired, which really takes away from the faith I have in them making a comeback. Too be honest, after that top of the 1st inning, I got the strong impression that this wasn't going to be a competetive game.
Well, my favorite thing this whole year has been the come-from-behind wins.
4 runs down, 4 innings to go, piece of pie!
Chris Farley is dead. Don't CGI him into an ad. It's creepy.
[374] They finished with Sciosia the other night, now it's Mathis' turn..
aj is definitely gonna give up runs here, to make a point
[361] Oh, okay, that's correct.
But suppose it looks like the runner was down, and the ball comes loose, but the whistle blows, and then a defender falls on the ball. They can reverse the whistle and count it as a fumble recovered by the defense.
I think at this point a little football chat is a pleasant distraction.
[378] That was evident in the first inning...the Yankees let him off the hook (pun intended), which I think does speak to a lack of preparation for the opponent. In the playoffs, you don't often get the chance to win like that.
[78] i hear ya - very frustrating - i think it is socially acceptable to wish someone get the trots
My rule of thumb for MLB is that if the NFL does it, baseball should do the opposite.
On the bright side AJ has a chance to maybe strike out 5 this inning now that Posada's catching.
So, A-Rod struck out looking on a pitch right down the middle. Posada struck out looking on three pitches. If Derek Jeter just hits into a big double play, those are all the symptoms of the Yankee loss.
Oh, God, now we have to hear these bozos about AJ and Posada.
Insult to injury.
good job po!!!
Wait a minute.
"Molina" gets a hit, "Posada" strikes out. AJ suddenly improves when "Posada" enters the game...
They've switched uniforms!
we don't give a shit about you timmy
[390] I think MLB needs to really re-think roughing the passer
[391] Funny!
[391] that's harsh
The bats will awaken. All is not lost. One more out AJ you ornery SOB.
With the day off tomorrow, I think the stories about Teixeira not hitting are really going to mushroom. His AB in the first inning could kind of take on the same symbolism as Arod's game-4 strikeout with a runner on 3rd and 1 out in the 2004 ALCS.
[377] i'm predictable, but consistency is good! she was smokin'...
[379] oh, and i didn't move south for the hot blondes. not long after grad school, i got a good gig and it was based outta here. that tour ended after a year and a half. by then, i had established myself here in town and made connections and stuff. so i stayed. been here 13+ years now...
[399] not entirely undeserved, however
[387] that's right, but i guess they only changed it for that call? like you said, it's hard to find the exact rules.
Raise your hand if, after the first inning, you thought there were going to be a lot of runs scored in this game.
Thought so.
Sterling's Law confirmed yet again.
[401] except that he's 1/2 and should have walked to load the bases for arod with no one out in the 1st.
[405] What's Sterling's Law?
[405] that's baseball
[405] i certainly didn't expect aj to last this long without giving up another.
[405] I thought AJ would settle down, but I also thought the Yanks would have gotten at least 1 run on the board by now.
Where is the score truck?!?!
[406] That call was too close to argue he should have walked. The bottom line is that AB could have been a killer for Anaheim, but he didn't even take the bat off his shoulders.
I say "Huzzah!" to you AJ..you were awful in the 1st, but there's no reason we should not make up 4 runs..now..Score Truck Convoy, please!
jeez this game is flying by
AJ definitely is shedding the goat horns...this game is falling back onto the shoulders of a very shaky offense.
[411] so he should have been protecting the strike zone, with a chance to load the bases for arod in the 1st inning of game 5, up 3 games to 1? that's ridiculous. and the call wasn't that close.
This reminds me of Game 7 in 2003, when they couldn't touch Pedro, and they were already doing the game summary talking about how great Pedro had pitched.
Goddamnit Teixeira.
If the Yankees blow this series, Tex is going to pick up the beatings from Arod...just what the Yankees don't need.
nice hit, Alex !
[407] you just can't predict baseball
used in a sentence: well suzyn, molina got a hit, posada struck out, you know what suzyn, sometimes you just can't predict baseball
Shit! Missed by a foot.
wow, look how focused his eyes were!
[411] And I think Teixeira has shown that he has no fucking clue what's a ball and what's a strike this post season, so I don't think you can say he identified it as a ball and laid off.
[415] It was close on the Fox Trax...that AB shouldn't have gotten to 3-2. He let too hammer me curves go by first.
And thus did A-ROD say unto the Angels, "Verily, you shall not defeat us!"
And to his teammates A-ROD said, "Climb onto my back, and here we go!"
[420] Thanks. I've listened to Sterling more than I'd ever prefer; shoulda known that one.
[418] what they don't need is to lose this series, agreed.
At least Arod should be able to take a positive vibe into Game 6.
A 2 out hit would be uber-pleasant.
[420] Thank you.
Although he wouldn't say "sometimes". And then he'd add that "some people" think they can predict baseball, and he doesn't know why because you just can't. It's not like football.
The Yanks' biggest advantage now is that Scioscia is petrified of his bullpen, and he doesn't want to lose this game, so he's going to stay with Lackey as long as he possibly can - which means that when Lackey tires and gets ineffective, he'll still be in there.
[430] very true - fortunatley i am not the sterling expert you are
[427] Right...I guess losing would be bad enough in and of itself. Hearing about how Teixeira can't hit in the post season would just be icing.
Come the fuck on Matsui!
[432] It's my burden.
[435] :}
good eye mats
oof, now cano
Can't we hit for Frosty?
Blind fold Cano
i would love nothing more than a 3-run job right here!!!
Sure would be nice to have Posada up now...another way starting Molina can have a negative impact.
Oh Christ, Cano.
If we'd scored two in the first inning, this game would feel so different.
Knock down a wall, Robbie. You can do it, brother.
Fucking Frosty.
[443] I'd feel better if they had taken just one good swing.
Mother of God.
[441] Would have been nice to have Posada up with Melky on first last inning.
Worst .320 hitter I think I ever saw.
just a rbi please
FUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKK!!!!! : /
There is no reason, none at all, that this kid can't hit with RISP.
So why the fuck does he do so badly with RISP?!?!
fuck - it's probably 80 damn degrees out there but cano is still frosty
or that : ( fuckaduck
Girardi has to be prepared for the reality that Cano and Swisher are not going to turn it around. Cano is giving off a very strong Soriano-like vibe.
[448] Pinch hitting is not the same as taking ABs in the flow of the game.
Ok, now I have lost all optimism..to game 6 we go...
[452] Like Soriano, it really seems that when a good pitcher has a game plan against him, Cano has no chance.
Tex, Cano & Swisher with some serious goat potential..
I think the real Yankees have already left for NY and left behind these imposters
[457] Every game so far the Yankees have scored at least 4... :-)
[458] wouldn't that result in big splits between quality of pitcher, but not necessarily between "clutch" or not situations?
[459] They scuttled game 2 and have had a huge hand in game 5. The Yankees should not have lost 2 games to this point...they have allowed the Angels to stay close. The rest of this lineup had better wake up, or hope the rest of the Angels lineup doesn't first.
[461] That's the spirit, Bobtaco!
I will say, I feel ok losing a game where AJ just gave up a couple of early runs and Lackey was utterly dominant....you can live with that.
if the Yankees had something like a 3 run lead in the 8th and blew it, I'd have more visions of 2004 dancing in my head.
The only think that could make my mood worse right now is if we see that fucking binder.
[462] I think what makes great pitchers is their ability to execute their game plan particularly in tight situations. Cano seems to feast off bad pitchers and situations in which good pitchers might not be a little lax.
[465] I dunno if Lackey really has been 'dominant'. Remember, Jeter and Damon made him look shaky early; A-Rod seemed to have no real problem with him. Melky and Molina have hits. That's not "dominant".
But I don't mean to mince words. Coughing up the four in the first does hurt less than a horrible bullpen performance.
I think AJ's record for strikes thrown after having a full count before the walk is 4. He just beat that record.
[465] I am ok with it too...when the Yankees forfeited their 1st inning opportunity, I had a strong feeling they wouldn't be competitive. Of course, if the Angels jump out early in game 6, things are going to get tight. I know I am not looking forward to that game because it will be tense starting at around 4PM.
[468] No Yankee has made it to third - that's fairly dominant.
[466] doesn't the binder symbolize girardi's belief in stats, which is a good thing? you may not want to see him going to the bullpen when the current pitcher is still pitching well, but isn't it good that he bases his decisions on numbers and not "gut"?
what a fucking idiot that douchelord is.
Why would they show that?
Nice of FOX to encourage future incidents.
if there is a game 6 it will be at 7:57pm
This is the second time we've seen one of these clowns on television.
I thought there was a rule?
Why does Fox insist on showing these people? I thought the networks agreed not to reward these bozos by showing them on TV.
AJ has really absolved himself of goat status.
we've officially reached the point where "one bad inning" will be the theme of tonight's pressers
[468] molina did not have a hit.
OK Now it is time for the bats to come out.
here, bats, here good bats...
[476] Right...and it will be tense starting at around 4PM.
6 innings, 80 pitches. 1 run above "QS". only 2 walks. and, who knows, he might be able to get thru 7, or even 8.
everything was hard hit in the 1st inning. he always has that 1 meltdown inning, but this hasn't been an abomination. we're being shutdown by a whole lotta ugly.
Hard to believe, but Burnett has thrown less pitches than Lackey.
[480] Yes, but for which team...
[472] That binder leads to LaRussa level bullshit and Girardi outsmarting himself. No good can come from that.
[480] One very bad inning...for the offense and for Burnett. The offense bothers me because I think their bad inning was poor preparation. Burnett's bad inning was the result of his inability to command his pitches and the Angels aggressive approach (which is particularly frustrating because it was in contrast to the Yankees approach).
[483] yeah i wasn't sure if that was the direction you were going in
I have to give Burnett this much - he doesn't have his good stuff, he got POUNDED in the first, and yet he's kept them in the game and got through 5 scoreless innings after that debacle. He did not fold like a cheap tent.
The real issue is NO offense.
[481] Oh yeah. Wishful thinking.
That water bound asshole needs a ride to the pokey. Hey, it's the scoretruck. Finally, it'll give him a ride.
tbs showed an imbecile also. terrible.
[476] i'll be on a gig, with no access to the game.
i'd much rather win TONIGHT!!!
i know we'll have Andy, CC and home field. but if we lose tonight, i'll be a basket case and will be seeing red...as in an all red WS. : /
definitely have to give credit to burnett for innings 2-6. but the first inning was pretty damn bad, and that was him pitching.
We can't have this.
At some point I need to explore Swisher's splits, but he also seems like the kind of hitter who can easily be outsmarted...which is no surprise considering Swish.
Swisher's goofball nonsense isn't as cute when they're losing.
Atta boy, Melky.
good work melky
Leche's been hitting, at least!
please plate him. please!!!
Melky is earning his keep the last two games.
Girardi should have given Swisher a rest earlier in this series.
VROOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. Atta boy, Melky Keep the line moving.
for the love of god and everything good and holy please put something together here
hip hip?
That IS NOT a good curveball.
i don't fault them for being patient in the 1st, but when are they going to start going after hanging curveballs?
another gift strike call for lackey there.
[467] I'm not sure I buy that.
Cano vs Felix Hernandez: .385/.467/.615
Cano vs Zack Greinke: .357/.438/.500
Just as examples.
Now I know you're going to come back and say Cano has never faced any of those guys in the postseason (ie, "tight situations") or cite his horrible overall postseason numbers (.231/.286/.397). But we know that, given enough PA, Cano should hit about what he hits in his career for the regular season in the playoffs. He's not.
So I ask again - why would a guy hit .207/.242/.332 with RISP, but .376/.407/.609 with the bases empty?
[496] i would have to look at these numbers more too - but i have always suspected that guys like swisher who aren't particularly good "hitters" are very susceptible to pitchers who don't give up many walks
Ump's flipping a coin to call balls and strikes. Christ.
[508] I would also throw sample size at you too.
[508] Also, to answer your question, I would imagine bases empty ABs feature a lot more early fastballs.
That's it, Jorgie, hang in there.
If the Yankees can get a few back here, the Angels may regret not tacking on at all after the first... c'mon Jorge!
4 of the greatest words to hear tonight - activity in the angels pen -
I can't believe it either.
Does Lackey want both sides of the plate?
that was a strike - but fuck you lackey
Wow. Close one.
[508] i believe it's luck. the same as how he goes through streaks of being hot or cold during the season. sometimes he gets his hits, sometimes he just misses. he makes a lot of contact, so a lot of times he'll be unlucky.
throw lackey out! that ball is low.
it was low. good eye Piss Hands!
c'mon Cap'n !!!
[512] So Cano's a fastball hitter early in the count, but can't handle (say) breaking stuff late in the count?
Doesn't fangraphs have this kind of info?
Maybe this will rattle him? Maybe?
[521] Nah, it was totally a strike.
But fuck you, Lackey!
That was lucky. Posada had >| look all AB, and basically got it.
please no double play, Captain. Please!!!!
I'll trade that close call for Tex' close call in the first.
Break for the Yanks, let's see if they can take advantage
c'mon cap
Shut up Lackey, you got a K on Teix in the first that was off the plate.
Mr. Ed. John Elway. John Lackey. I didn't realize the Angels were the only team allowed to spend so much time discussing balls and strikes with the umps.
That's it, Lackey, get mad!
No double play. No double play.
[515] shhh, don't tell RI about your math skills !!! ; )
2-0...
i definitely do not trust that strike zone on up and down. i'd prefer they showed from the side angle.
3-0.
[512] And FWIW, your theory re Cano sounds plausible to me - but, data please!
C'mon, Jeter . . .
Lackey's lost it! See, Scioscia is NOT going to take him out until he's in big trouble.
Pinch runner for Posada. ; O
Ooh. Come on Johnny, Smash one
Four straight.
Come on, fucking Johnny Damon.
good work jeter - fuck you again lackey
[534] I think she advises Posada on the ball/strike count and how many outs there are.
Johnny Damon - PLEASE atone yourself for '04 here. thanks, man!
Yes! Yes! He's leaving Lackey in to face Damon!
C'MON DAMON!!!
Come on Damon, tie this fucking game. Remember Game 7 in '04? A little of that would be nice.
It's up to Damon, because Tex ain't doing anything...
[534] that was a typing error!! i am actually pretty good at math (though i didn't really care for geometry)
Left field is your friend, Johnny.
Sigh.
What the fuck was that??
This can be really bad.
[543] :}
good lord people
that was NOTHING like '04, Johnny.
god fucking dammit!!!
Oh, fucking Christ.
That's not what I had in mind.
Come on, Teix, here's your chance.
Be the man, you can do it, we have faith in you.
Fuck.
Sit down Horse Face.
I think ugly finally whitened and straigtened his teeth a little.
ya know what, here's where Tex turns it around.
tie it up, man!!!
there's no one i want up more than teixeira right now. seriously. he's definitely getting a hit.
Soft chewy underbelly! Tex is due!
i can definitely understand him wanting to stay in - but fuck him anyway ugly mf
Who is it, Oliver?
Time for Tex to become a "True Yankee"...
Yes, it's Oliver.
[563] i believe so, and i like tex hitting righty.
ooh, Bach cello suites on that commercial !!! BEST music...ever. i play some of them on marimba! : )
Just a single from Teix is fine. Or draw a walk off the new reliever, that's always a good tactic.
Oliver has been good..I am worried...
[566] yeah scosia must not look at his binder
Thes Levi's commercials creep my out. : /
[538] I'd have to delve into the numbers, but I think a couple of things happen:
1) With the bases empty, pitchers throw more early fastballs, which Cano can handle with his aggressive approach.
2) With men on base, pitchers throw more breaking pitches or fastballs off the plate early in the count, which Cano either puts in play weakly or fouls off to put himself in a hole.
The key for a pitcher with Cano is trusting that he will expand the zone. I think good pitchers are more apt to do that, whereas lesser pitchers might not trust their ability to pitch from behind.
Fuck yes, FUCK yes.
HOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
good job tex !!!
HOLY SGHIT~~
WOOHOO!
WE GOT A FUCKING GAME HERE BOYS!!!!
How about that? [/Mel Allen]
Atta boy, Teix. Thanks Cousin Oliver.
TEX !!!!!!!!!!!!
how you like me now, bitches?!
About time Teixeira...welcome to the post season...now Arod has to do it again!
Come on A-Rod, tie it up
fuck john lackey timmy
great rip tex - he shoved the score truck into gear
Okay, come on Matsui, tie it up.
Three fat runs.
Wow.
Come on, Hideki.
Nice.
And.
Easy.
Up the middle.
oh, bollocks.
do it up, Mats!!!
Any one agree with Scoscia's bullpen management?
At the very least, this gives Tex something good to feel heading into Game 6. If he had made an out, it could have gotten ugly on the off day.
[559] [560] Well gents, I believe we called that. =) [561]
Now we get 1st and 2nd, 2 out, with Matsui coming up - and Matsui is NOT given trouble by LHP.
Now A-Rod is getting the respect. How cool is that? In the seventh inning, they just walk him. That's Bonds treatment.
This is the second time he brings in someone who ends up giving up a huge hit.
who'd have thought that getting lackey out of the game (driving up his pitch count) would pay off???
[588] Me. But in a reverse way.
Oh SHIT YEAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somewhere, Donnie Baseball and Tino Martinez are smiling...
[588] Lackey looked gassed to me, I don't think he had any choice.
We Want PIE!!!
Ho ho ha ha ha ha!
TIE!
[580] jesus - fucking cousin oliver
YEAH!!
TIE!!!!!!!!!
oh we of little faith
That's right, BITCHES!!!
Takes bow...
MATSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUI
WAHOO!!!!
MATSUI-SAN!!!!
Matsui against a lefty always makes me feel good...Cano...well...not so much.
Somewhere the Angels version of william is having a coronary... :)
beast commercial!!!
Ohhh, I don't wanna see Lackey now, he has GOT to be pissed.
dude there are a LOT of Yankee fans there, there were none in 02 and 05
[603] Speak for themselves. : )
YES!!!
let's tack 'em on, here and now!!!
i think this is another bad call by scioscia.
Wow...Sciosa bringing in a right handed fastballer to face Cano? I don't know about that.
and our pen has had 2 days off...
松井!!!!!!!!!!愛している!!!!
Matsui-san! Nice job by Tex also. The Yankees back in it. Yankee fans going crazy in Anaheim.
[609] =)
[605] You were Mr. Optimist the whole time, Bobtaco - very well done!
And now Cano gets a righty, who (correct me if I'm wrong) has a fastball for his best pitch. NICE!
[609] ROTFL
You just can't predict baseball
ok so NOW we can all give AJ credit for buckling down after the 1st
[622] suzyn?
Come on Robbie. Your turn
[609] I pray for him...mostly that it's not me enduring what he is.
What about AJ now? Leave him in or go to the BP for the B7?
[620] yes bobtaco gets the optimist prize for the night
though i do feel the need to point out that very early on i said 4-0 is not impossible to overcome
Good chance for Robbie to get out of the dog house
Cano's due too...
[623] those 4 runs are still on the board for the angels, but sure
frosty melted
GET THE FUCKIN PEN UP JOE!
OH MY GOD!
YES!
Robinson! Yes, baby, yes!
Robbie Cano....dont you f#$%ing know!!!
ROBBIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
let's plate him, too!!!!!!!!!!!!
Matsui scored from 1st!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
now this is reminding me of game 6 against the mariners in 2000
Don't. Ever. Count. These. Yanks. Out!
I guess I've been talking to myself all night in the optimism dept. : D
That's my Cano. : )
I love this team..I love them!!!
[640] dude I have been thinking that ALL night but didn't wanna say it and jinx anything
get hughes up now. rivera gets the 8th and 9th.
Keep it going, pour it on!
thank god matsui tries so hard
score him, Swish!!!
Your turn, Swisher
No Joba. Phil please. Shite.
Damn, can't believe I missed Frosty!
Holy fuck, a SIX SPOT!
Joba in the pen.
Swisher is immune to the rally bug.
[652] I'd go straight to Hughes.
[642] no i heard ya - bobtaco was a bit more consistent than some of us though
hell yeah boys
I really don't like going to Joba here....I think it has to be Hughes to Mariano.
AJ for another? Or do we go Joba-Phil-Mo (the formula)
[642] I was optimisitc too!! :)
is it AJ or Joba?
9 outs. please get them!!!
I shudder for Girardi's BP management here, but it is better being down 4...
Robbie!
[660] better THAN being down 4
Jesus.
Scioscia is the goat, seriously, if you're an Angels fan. Not that I think pulling Lackey was the wrong at-the-time call, but damn did that go wrong.
AJ's gotta be done here, pat him on the back and say thanks. you have a fully rested pen ready to go
let aj pitch one more.
I go batter to batter with AJ. He's had 5 good innings... and
GET SOME ICE FOR MATSUI'S KNEES... FAST!
[651] Worst .320 at-bat you've ever seen.
[639] I never want to hear "we put in a pinch runner so we could score from first on a gapper" again
[658] haha - good try - but once your meds wore off not so much - you trying any indian remedies - my grandma is always trying to shove ginger and cumin tea down anyones' throat when they are sick
[650] [652] [654] I have no doubts, none, that if Joba gets into the slightest bit of trouble, Hughes will be up and ready to go. Mo, too.
That bloody binder and going matchup by matchup might come in handy now. =)
[642] I missed your optimism Just Fair, and for that I'm sorry - bravo to you as well!@
They're letting AJ start the inning.
I could live with AJ batter to batter here, but anyone on and he's done
choke the rally monkey
Did that throw bounce off Matsui's helmet as he slid in?
[647] Yes, he does.
[663] One day people will realize that 90% of the time, there are no 'right' or 'wrong' moves. Only moves that work out, or don't work out.
Before everyone congratules themselves, need I remind that there are 3 more innings and Girardi has to navigate them?
I'm peeking via postseason.com, so I can see the next inning's pitcher warming up on the mound.
Hoss.......
IT'S SAFE TO COME OUT NOW.
wow, it's AJ, after a loooong layoff.
please continue your shutout ways.
no BB, HBP, WP, PB. no hits or runs either, while you're at it!
[670] Ha-ha. Just joshing. I do like this one though. [492]
Let's go bullpen. clap-clap-clap-clap
well i prefer aj to joba here, but hughes had better be warming up.
[676] you're so right
I also don't like AJ starting the inning, especially if you go to Joba with men on base. Why not go right to Hughes??
[669] You caught me ;) I got a mixture of modern meds and natural healing, wincluding some ginseng and ginger as well! Feeling way better today, and should be back to 100% by Sunday, just in time for Game 1 of the WS...oh, wait, it's next Wed...
[674] yeah it bounced off his helmet
Marte and Joba?
NOOOOO!!!
Hughes to Mo!
AJ on the mound with Marte and Joba warming has sapped all the good feeling.
marte - oh my
Whoops. No bp, yet. Throw strikes you sob.
[684] Yeah, look Marte is up... Is he nuts?
i think i'm more nervous now...with a lead.
man, i'm just a big ol' mess!!! : ~
Marte being up feels binder-tastic
WTF is up w/ Mathis???
DP now. PLEASE!!!
Hughes. Now.
Unfuckingbelievable MATHIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
first nick fucking punto and now jeff fucking mathis
Incredible...Girardi is going to try to match Sciosa in the bad pitching decision game. What the fuck is he doing!!
Ugh.
Joe Girardi is going to blow another game.
[697] Apt comparison, yes.
Joe said Mo would be available for 4 or even 6 outs. why is he fucking around w/ Marte?!
Hughes up, good.
[685] that's good ok jazz
and wordpress is really pissing me off - of course i am posting fast - there is lots going on
Girardi wants 1 or 2 outs from AJ. No Joba. Phil, and then Mo for 4.
Now Hughes is up.
Here's what I think: AJ gets one out, then Hughes for four, then Mo for four.
Girardi's bullpen management this post-season?
From RAB:
In 23 innings, the Yanks’ pen has a 1.96 ERA. The bullpen has walked 10 and has struck out 21.
I feel as confident as I would in any game of this type.
[705] [707] Well put.
[707] AJ might get no outs!
Hughes is up in Joba's place.
I am not worried about Marte. Don't forget, if the Yanks hold on here, the Phills have an awful lot of LHB. We WILL, if it gets to that, see Marte against them.
Its like with Darren Oliver. Don't judge him on the recent past, judge him on the body of work in his career. Oliver, in his career, is not a good pitcher. Marte, in his carrerre, is especially against LHB.
[700] Is he trying to get AJ the win? It seems foolish.
Top of the Douchelords coming up. Oy.
DO NOT WALK SNOOP
DON'T WALK HIM!!!
Absolutely fucking incredible!!!
OK, so maybe I don't get to go to bed early tonight.
Oh come on. Don't walk Aybar
oh dear
[704] I know! And sometimes it tells me I've "said that already," as if the same comment can't possibly apply on more than one occasion during the course of a ballgame.
jesus fuck get his ass out
Jesus.
[712] AJ has the win if we hold them, so that's not relevant.
Hoooooo boy.
I can't.
Take.
This.
Oh.... FUCK A GOAT IN THE ASS!
Ladies and gentleman...welcome to another Girardi loss. Marte is coming in with runners on 1st and 2nd.
MARTE????
Fuck! It's MARTE!
Marte?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
joe g might be a hair late making this move
c'mon, Yanks, Marte, prove me wrong
Marte for Figgins and Abreu
Jesus x 2. What the fuck is Girardi doing?
get him the FUCK outta there.
this is plain stoopid, GI Joe. you're a fuckwad. now, it's Marte? are you freaking kidding me?!
WHAT THE HELL!!!!
the fucking PENNANT is on the goddamn line!!!
isn't there a bench coach to punch Girardi square in the face?!
Oh my God, he is trying to not only top the Aceves move but blow it out of the water.
Could the folly of this strategy been anymore evident? How anyone could watch Girardi manage and not see how deeply he harms this team is beyond me. Instead of giving this game to Hughes and Mo, he turns it over to Damaso fucking Marte.
[725] nice oyf
[720] yeah weeping that is infuriating too
Um, how about being unconventional and go with Mo here. 7th & 8th.
I'll be out on the ledge if anyone needs anything
[726] Maybe he will walk the bases loaded and then we can go to Robertson, (who isn't up but should be).
Choad's going to bunt.
Is this going to be Marte for Figgins Coke for Abreu again?
A ground ball dp will do a lot to ease some tension here
Guess he preferred Marte to Coke?
[726] I knew it was coming! LOL!
Unbelievable. They aren't even behind yet and it's already Girarid's loss. Of course, if he pulled Burnett to start the inning and that didn't go well it would have been his loss too.
LOL.
MARTE?!?!?!? WTF?!?!?!???!????!!!!!!! Why not Hughes??!???
A lefty was going to come in to face Abreu
[737] in this situation, i would go to mo here
Our win expectancy is 63% here.
I know, doesn't feel like it.
I can't believe Girardi is following up an incredible comeback with two braindead decisions.
I don't know how can anyone can think this is good managing.
I feel sick.
Thanks for the out, Scioscia.
PLEASE!!!! Someone stage an intervention and get Joe to stop sucking on that glass dick!
At least Scoscia is being dumb and giving up outs
Is Girardi managing the Yankees or the Angels?
this matchup doesn't bode well.
please foul out harmlessly.
"How anyone could watch Girardi manage and not see how deeply he harms this team is beyond me. "
******************
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Girardi’s bullpen management this post-season?
From RAB:
In 23 innings, the Yanks’ pen has a 1.96 ERA. The bullpen has walked 10 and has struck out 21.
********************
He's really harming the team. Really. Really, really.
The Yankees just had a trip to the World Series given back by their manager!
[751] me too
That was good.
But still Marte. Yuck. Bad. Because Abreu is a lefty. Oh, man.
Oh good. The generic sweeping something or other low and outside.
Prolly Marte'a last batter
this ump suck ass too
This is awful.
a pop-up, please?
[733] The Pennant is NOT on the line. This is Game 5, and we are still up (although maybe not for long)
i don't have a huge problem with using marte here. i have a big problem with aj walking aybar after getting ahead.
There's a break.
Well waddyaknow.
Sterling's Law strikes again.
[762] What does the binder say?
What the fuck.
Hughes? Please?
please get out of this with the lead.
my heart is pounding!!!
Well that's no good.
One run given away by Girardi...let's see how many more to come.
[758] Wow. Just wow.
Well, it went a lot better than expected.
I just don't get why you don't bring in Hughes for the 7th. AJ had been sitting for a LONG time. They were lucky to go as far as they did with him.
marte did okay
[775] Why are you here?
[750] Don't you know, when the game is on the line and a trip to the world series is in the balance you bring in your worse pitcher. That's like Joe Baseball 101.
[766] you know what i mean...
6-5 is so much better than we were feeling an hour ago
and now the real (more reliable) bullpen is in relief
If I had to guess why Marte and not Coke - Coke is prone to HR (1.2 HR/9, or 10 in 74). Marte, I believe, is not (.9 HR/9, or 46 in 486 IP).
The run scored, but that's OK. Hughes will get Torii now.
[778] martay the partay!
[777] i agree - it was time to move on from aj
let's hold here to 6-5 hughesy
To my surprise, the Angels' win expectancy went *up* with the successful bunt! I'm really shocked. I'm sure Scioscia didn't check the numbers, but still.
It went down with the RBI groundout. The Yanks now have a 70% win expectancy.
[777] The only reason was to put AJ in line for the win. It really doesn't make sense after Mathis got the single why he wasn't yanked.
[767] AJ should not have been in the game. Mathis has had good swings against him and this game screamed for a more steady hand. Letting AJ lead you into Marte is further evidence that Girardi has no feel for managing a close game. Hughes to the bottom of the lineup would have been a knife through butter. Now, he faces a good hitter with the tying run on 3rd. Absolutey inexcusable bullpen management.
Hey, Phil. Get Torriiiiiiii out and then let's get the O swinging the bats. They're rolling now and good for some Geico runs.
This doesn't feel good.
[783] I figured that too, we can't pretend Coke is a world beater. But the bad managing started at the beginning of the inning in my opinion. Hopefully Hughes can get out of this.
marte got the out, and in game 3 people thought it was silly to not let him face abreu. the more questionable move was letting aj start the inning, but i still think that's defensible. especially since he got to 0-2 against aybar. girardi didn't tell him to throw 4 straight balls.
All right, Phillip.
has Hughes ever done that at the back of the mound?!
[787] Bob, AJ was already in line for the W.
I really hate Girardi.
[794] What'd he do? Missed it.
settle down kid.
i can't sit...
Fuck me.
Just tune it all out, Phil...
Just playing catch...
shit
come on hughes
[788] Nah, AJ was only at 80 pitches and he was cruising.
Now he brings in Hughes after two outs and it will still be his fault if he gives up the run...
[794] all the time
Nerves.
will he green light it?
That game 6 triple in the 1996 World Series used to be such a great memory.
[795] Then I really don't get it...
God, with Vlad coming up? really?
Wow, 3-0 slider!
Good.
yipes, missed his spot there... hunter'll crush it if he throws it there again
[796] The most obvious statement of the evening.
I was really pleased with how AJ hung tough from innings 2-6, but after that long top of the 7th, he has to come out. Hughes should have started the inning. Okay, I guess we all feel that way. Oh well.
Fuck!
Damn, that wasn't good with Vlad coming up.
But Phil will get Vlad, so it won't matter.
Ok, then...showtime...
ya know what - fine.
vlad will 4-hop it to Jetes.
He wasn't even close on any of those balls.
Uh, please keep Vlad in the Yard.
Nothing like waiting until there was little margin for error before bringing in your best pitchers.
You know, how about having an icer instead of/addition to a closer. Someone who can reliable shut down a late inning rally.
[791] I know he's been gang-busters against LHB this year, at least in relief, but IIRC, in his MLB career, LHB hit Hughes very, very well (.274/.368/.450 in his career vs LHB).
So I think Girardi has done fine so far.
HIGH HEAT PHILLIP
Vlad doesn't have great bat speed. I stay high and outside.
This series has been about surviing Girardi.
strikes, kid. throw 'em
Not
Even
Close
Phil is trying to be too fine.....
[819] Yeah, nothing like getting two outs from your pen then watching as your second-best reliever can't throw strikes.
Saw Joba warming up, went to get a beer. Came back, saw Burnett on the mound, said WTF. I mean he did well with what he had bit the ball was going all over the place. Girardi is a puzzling fellow.
I'm surprised Torii isn't running.
control the fb, phil
1 more please
OH, that was MONEY!
One more Sir Phil.
HEAT. NOW.
Come on, Phil!
great breaking ball
Come on, Phil, you can do it...
[821] I'd say a sub-2.00 ERA from your pen in the most pressure packed games is doing a decent job.
MOTHERFUCKER!!!
fuck another goat in the ass
Thanks Joe.
Oh God, past a diving Jeter, no.
damn, went against the defense there
Oh, Phil. Not a terrible pitch, but he certainly isn't the dominant pitcher we were expecting.
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!
Well this sucks.
Don't sweat it, Phil, one more. Just hold 'em here.
WHY DIDN'T HE GO TO THE HIGH HEAT!?!??!!
Shit, Hughes, that was a mistake.
(And its not his fault, but I couldn't help but think - pastadivingJeter.)
This game 5 loss brought to you by Joe Girardi. Thanks Joe...I don't anyone here really wanted to go to the World Series.
Pastadiving.
I just threw up
Hey, look at that, the best reliever sucked....and it's still on the Manager.
Great job Phil. Just beautiful.
I have to agree with T-Mac - that was a puzzling pitch selection.
Really, REALLY bad pitch by Phil. REALLY bad!
looks like aj's about to cry...
Fuck Burnett, He walked Aybar up 0-2, that's the bottom line.
I honestly can't believe how awful Girardi is...it's really incredible.
For the record, I didn't mind the move of letting AJ start the inning. It's the opposite of Bullpen Roulette, so to me it's a step in the right direction. Didn't work out, but I think it's an okay move.
[850] Uh, dude? Game ain't over yet. Neither is the ALCS.
Bad pitch by Girardi there.
keep it here.
[850] Hughes is pitching like total shit. I'm not sure bringing him in earlier would have made a difference.
Vlad is not really the Impaler anymore. He can still hit mistakes though.
I'm a fucking wreck.
The funny thing is the bullpen still has a sub-2.00 ERA.
[861] Two giveaways by Girardi...eventually the Angels will win one outright.
Lucky for Hughes that didn't leave the park.
I guess the bullpen is officially not a strong point. Girardi needs to rethink using Hughes as a bridge.
Hughes is lost.
phil hasn't had the best post season
oh, NOW he throws the high fb...
settle the fuck down (talking to myself AND phil)
[864] He is still young...which is why you don't bring him in with no margin for error.
Ayiiiiiii.
Damn.
I feel bad for Phil. Damn.
Cant blame this on Joe. Hughes has been awful, marte terrific
SON OF A BITCH
[868] seriously, you're being ridiculous. the move you hated worked out. hughes has been shit, and you wanted him in to begin with.
you gotta be fucking kidding me.
i need a drink...
[850] Hughes being terrible is Girardi's fault?
total bull shit
Damn, Hughes. Bad pitching all the way around by the Yankees.
BULLSHIT
[867] Not anymore.
[864] Ya think? And it still would have been Girardi fault.
Thanks Joe.
Unfuckingbelievable.
I fill ill again.
Oh dear. If they lose now, it's somehow SO MUCH more annoying than if they'd just gone done 4-1 or something on a bad Burnett start. (Not that it's over yet... just saying).
We can't get one fucking out to end the inning
Really, Robertson has been our best reliever- other than Mo without saying.
Thanks Phil. Great job there.
I can't believe Marte is going to be the best pitcher of the day.
end this inning NOW
[878] I agree. It's not just about a gameplan - players have to execute.
Series collapses rely...depend on upon bad managing. Joe Girardi has just created a perfect storm for more Yankee post season disaster.
This has been my fear all season...and it has come to fruition twice! The Yankees should be ashamed for allowing an incompetent manager to run this team.
[880] For bringing him in with a man on third, rather than to start the inning.
Let's Vote.
Who lost this game (if it's really a loss)?
A) Girardi
B) AJ
C) Marte
D) Hughes
E) William
F) None of the above
[888] I know, it just has to be Robertson in a tough spot from now on.
Can't figure it.
[874] Hahahahahaha! Yeah, he's NEVER come in mid-inning.
I didn't agree with Girardi's initial move to stay with AJ, but this is on the pitchers.
Hughes is not executing. Not good. But also not Girardi's fault.
And 1 run is nothing. The Angels are already in their bullpen, and have used up their "best" reliever in Oliver. Fuentes looms.
[874] He's a big boy. He can get one of the three men he faces out.
What a fucking disaster.
[895] I vote for the guy that gave up 6 ERs in 6 IP.
Nah, Fire Girardi!
My head hurts.
His team scores 6 runs....Girardi gives back three.
for the love of god, finally. good fucking christ.
When it goes bad, it goes really bad sometimes.
HORSESHIT.
we should certainly be able to score a run in the next 6 outs.
PLEASE do so. in fact, score more than 1 ...
[869] No, Girardi needs to rethink exactly how he uses his bridge. He will be second-guessed all day again for leaving in AJ for two batters in the seventh and bringing in Phil in a pressure situation that's too early for him. Joe being Bobby Fisher again. Hopefully the bats will cover his mess again...
you are getting your high scoring affair riyank
Very disappointed in Hughes, he really spit the bit.
[904] No, that was Phil Hughes.
Sigh.
This shit's all doing me in, pitch by excruciating pitch.
I still think the Yankees come back. One run against a tired Weaver or Fuentes isn't much.
[894] So what! If Hughes does his job, it's a moot point. Stop looking for reasons to bash Girardi. I've been as critical of him as anyone, but let's give the players their share of the blame.
[895] b, obviously. if not for putting the team in the hole early, for shitting the bed once the team gave him a lead.
[909] Oh yeah, he did say something about a slugfest.
[913] I agree that it's not over. And Swisher made the last out, so he won't be up for awhile :)
Needed clutch outs from three pitchers:
AJ - Failed
Marte - Delivered
Hughes - Massive Failure
Nothing to do with the manager this time, just highly paid "talent" failing in the clutch.
[909] Huh. But not in the expected manner.
[911] Phil, but he had some help from AJ.
[904] You're edging into self-parody. Did Girardi throw that 2 strike fastball to Guerrero?
I can't imagine how tense you are all are watching this on tv..it's excruciating enough on Gameday with no sound and the Banter as commentary..
[910] Good managers put their players in a positioin to succeed. Hughes is still new to this...Girardi gave him little margin for error. Sure, it was Hughes who made the pitches, but his manager created the situation. The Yankees are a great team, but they a manager working with, not against them.
[914] Hughes? What about AJ? A hit and then a walk leading off the inning...
So, they try to sneak a fastball by Vlad and he wins game 3. Awful swing on the strike 2 curveball and hey, lets "sneak" a fastbally by him. booooooooooooooooooo
I predict the Yankees come back to tie it, then lose in agonizing fashion somewhere around the 12th. Angels baseball!
[919] AJ didn't put the winning run on base with a fucking walk.
[894] The were TWO outs. Not a horrible situation. He's a Yankee now The heat is on. That's life.
Yup, Hughes was dog shit. But AJ dropping a 4 run non-Jorge first is inexcusable.
But let's blame the manager!
Shit.
not a good start, melky
You know, I think I would have pinch hit with Gardner there. But what do I know?
OK Posada, here we go!
[920] Edging?
[926] He did put the tying run on base, however. As well as the one before that.
motherfucking shit fuck.
i really don't wanna lose this game.
hit a homer, derek!
this game has gone to weaver?!?
[920] Now, but he created a situation wherein one mistake could lsoe the lead. Sadly, Buck is right. Girardi's decision to let AJ start the inning is a colossal post season blunder.
Just one fucking run! It shouldn't be this difficult.
I just don't trust AJ, so that's why I would've never brought him back out. He's too excitable in my eyes and I would've cut bait with him right there.
McCarver is shocked, shocked that the Angels aren't in the no-doubles defense.
[933] And then our supposed lock down reliever came in with two outs and couldn't figure out a way to get a soul out.
Damn, that was Derek's pitch.
Just missed that one, damn it.
[936] Three mistakes. Two too many for someone in his role.
Of course, winning the game against a Weaver would be karmic justice.
Right?!?
[938] But would you have gone with Hughes? Because, you know, he sucked.
GOOD eye, Derek.
[935] Scioscia has no one else he can trust in the bullpen, now that Oliver failed.
And he might as well burn him here, because Weaver sucks ass on the road - if this goes to Game 6, he doesn't want to use Weaver in NY.
But this bodes well for the Yanks, because when Weaver gets in trouble . . .
Good...
Let’s Vote.
What's worse?
A) Losing the game?
b) Listening to William bitch nonstop about Girardi until at least 8:00 Saturday?
what are they booing? the pitch was 8 feet outside!
[940] And the guy "they" wanted to begin the inning. But he would have magically thrown strikes otherwise. Sure.
OHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!
What a fucking disaster this game turned in to.
Damon, Tex & A-Rod in the 9th..there's still a chance..
[940] Right.
But he did have serious help in blowing the game. He couldn't have done it by himself, after all.
[949] losing. a million times over. losing.
will it be weaver or fuentes in the 9th?
[949] If Girardi would stop giving me reason to complain, we'd all be happy. The Yankees have lost two games in this series and both are squarely on Girardi's shoulders. Maybe you don't mind having a manager like that, but I do.
Was Jeter just positioned really badly on the grounder Vlad hit? It seemed like he was a day late and really slow to that thing.
I'm still not worried.
[951] So you agree with the sequence beginning the bottom of the 7th then?
[949] Can I add:
c) Listening to William bitch about Girardi all season, watching him say nothing when they win 103 games, then having him reappear when they lose their first game in the 12th inning on the road.
Awesome.
[953] the roller coaster ride just destroys me...
i wanted hughes to start the 7th also. but it's completely legitimate to let aj come back out when he hadn't allowed a run since the 1st. even if hughes had been good. criticism of girardi here is absurd.
Get a hold in the 8th and the hitters are set up exactly as we would want them.
[958] I was wondering the same thing. Must have been guarding the hole.
I don't think this game is "squarely" on Girardi's shoulders... Phil absolutely shit the bed in a situation he's performed pretty well in during the 162 game season
[955] No one made him put three baserunners on.
[957] Throwing in the towel already?
[959] let's switch!
another awesome start. : /
Joba's in?
Uh-oh.
[11] greetings from Birmingham! I was disappointed to check my blackberry as we came to a stop and saw we were losing 4-0. I walked in the door and its 6-4.
Oh well. We've got two more in Yankee stadium where their fans, their stupid thundersticks and their idiotic rally monkey won't be.
We have NO bullpen.
Wtf is happening?
fuck
The bottom line here is the Yankees were going to the World Series until Girardi intervened. Now, they are going back to NY, where all the pressure will be on them to avoid another epic ALCS collapse. If anyone thinks that's the position a manager is supposed to put his team in, well, good for them.
Meanwhile, Rivera sits idle in the bullpen with an off day looming. Yep, Girardi, isn't a liability.
Now Joba will be Girardi's fault.
Why is Joba higher than Robertson on the depth chart?
joba's not fooling anybody lately...
Joba has been pitching pretty poorly all series too. You know who hasn't, Robertson.
[972] And we've got CC.
here comes Babe Mathis : /
This is what I was afraid of. Are we now going to give up a few more runs and take away any chance of coming back in the ninth?
[972] 2 more?? perish the thought
[959] Me neither. Our boys come back.
[957] "The Yankees have lost two games in this series"
Um, what are you talking? As of right now, they have 1 loss, not 2. Unless your TV is showing the future right now. In which case, I do not like your TV.
Speaking of lousy late inning relief...
Mathis? "chances are"
sorry, wrong mathis
[969] This game is all but over, especially with Girardi's incompetence still on parade. This is a resilient team, but even they must be discouraged by the ineptitude of their manager.
"The bottom line here is the Yankees were going to the World Series until Girardi intervened."
Wait, should he have taken Burnett out or should he not have? Because, intervening is removing the starter. Putting in your guy sucked and the guy you thought sucked got two outs.
Awesome.
[957} Are ya gonna vote?
Jesus. They are just all over Joba.
[967] Hughes didn't make AJ put two guys on with a two run lead, either.
Are there midges in this stadium or what?
Instead of a binder, Joe should get himself a white towel, because that's what it seems like he is waiving.
[975] The Yankees were going to the World Series until Phil Hughes walked Torii Hunter on five pitches, tried to sneak a fastball by Vlad and couldn't stop the bleeding against Morales.
both hughes and joba have been pretty disappointing in this post season so far
[987] how come you keep repeating the same thing as fact without ever responding to disagreement? almost everyone but you thinks girardi is not at fault here, yet you are addressing us as if we think he was in fact at fault, but that it's somehow okay. that is not the case. if he were as bad as you made him out to be, all of us would agree with you.
[991] i have tasted defeat before. it doesn't go well w/ asain noodles. i'd like a win for dessert. goes great with my pale ale! : )
[975] "The bottom line here is the Yankees were going to the World Series until Girardi intervened."
OK, now I'm lost on what your future TV is showing. You've got to pick, dude. Have the Yankees already won 4 games, or have they already lost 2? Because the big ALCS on FOX graphic in the upper right of my 50" plasma HDTV - so its pretty clear - says "NY LEADS 3-1".
[987] William, you are a broken record, I am tuning you out. No one here is saying Girardi is Joe McCarthy, but according to you when the team plays well, its because the players overcame their manager, but when they fail, well, it's the manager.
Miracle of a strikeout there.
atta boy, Joba! more of that, please...
that was a nice pitch - get two more here joba
Mathis turns back into a pumpkin...
That's a good pitch.
Hm.
Maybe Joba can step up after all.
I can't believe how much a bad apple ruins the bunch here. I have to leave.
Have a good night everyone else. At least I have tix to Game 6. Watch them clinch at home.
Peace.
Joba should be a reliever
Damn, should've left Marte in there
:D
[995] One might even say completely ineffective.
[994] Hunter and Vlad are paid money to have good ABs. Hughes should have been facing the bottom of the lineup with a two run lead, not the meat of the order with the tying run on 3rd. It was an obvious first guess, but because the manager of the Yankees is a moron, this team now has to play a game 6.
shit - need a dp here
Damn. Nice try, Jeter.
Christ.
Not your fault, Joba. Bear down!
Girardi set the wheels in motion. I'll hang the first run on him but Hughes was atrocious.
DP is possible now
Cano, rather. Jesus, I'm losing my mind.
sucks, but saved a run and wasn't roped. DP is in order...
Hmm...what pitcher on the Yankee staff would be best equipped at getting out of this situation?
What's the point of Mo now? Bring in Robertson.
Hunter and Vlad are paid money to have good ABs.
And AJ is paid good money to get batters out
Wow...Girardi has now put his incompetence on display. He doesn't use Mariano to start the inning, but then is late in getting him up. Girardi is a fucking retard.
send eiland to the damn mound
[1009] So Phil Hughes is not good enough to get Torii Hunter and the corpse of Vladimir Guerrero out.
Why is he even on the team?
And what happened with Kendry?
I will blame *this* on Girardi - Rivera should be ready by now.
Rivera not getting enough time is never good.
This is one of the worst managed games since Joe Torre in the 2004 ALCS, which is the liklihood of another collapse is much higher than it should be.
[1020] huh? [1017] seemed to be saying that rivera should in fact be inserted here.
[1005] Watch them clinch at home.
so they can't win tonight??? Negative thinking !!
[1025] Game 3 against the Marlins in 2003 ?
okay, william is officially a troll. Enough. Goodnight folks.
Mo will throw very few pitches, but a sac fly will plate willits and we'll be down 2.
[i actually HAVE one of those futuristic tv's! ; ) ]
they don't just need 2 outs, they need 2 outs without letting the runner from third in.
I love Mo, but mid-inning has not been spectacular for him in that regard
[99] There are 1000 comments...feel free to tune me out. It may be a broken record, but it is the only song that means anything. I said it before the inning, so it isn't a second guess. This game being completely blown apart by Girardi is a huge deal...it can't be said enough.
[1020] seriously, rivera should have started the 9th DOWN a run at angel stadium?
not for nuthin' and regardless of the imminent outcome ...
i LOVE Mo !!! : )
[1019] The Yankees had better options...the Angels did not.
[1030] But Mo is probably the best pitcher in baseball at preventing a sac fly.
More worried about the squeeze.
[1035] Who?
[1033] The eighth.
Stay away from the middle, Mo
[1037] Robertson?
crap. no more DP in order. though both those guys are fast...
Well, that wasn't good.
[1026] He should have started the inning, or at least been ready sooner.
Why not walk Figgins?
Now would be a good time for Mo to get anything out of his system he needs to get out.
[1038] duh!
[1044] Because Figgins is not a good hitter.
[1033] He didn't pitch two days ago...there was an off day and there will be one tomorrow. Yes, you use Rivera down by 1 run.
WOW!!!
Well Hell's Bells. Yeesh.
Hah.
See? Even a not-so-good pitch from Mo, no sac fly.
Damn, Swisher!
(That was scary.)
Pfew.
thank goodness
Swisher's skip? Hop? Saved our bacon.
wow, good job Swish
Whew! One more Mo!
[1050] quoting Bill Bruford - i loves it!!! ; )
[1048] it's not about rest, it's about who pitches the rest of the game even if you do come back. in some situations you don't worry about it, in others you need to save your good relievers.
So that's why you don't walk Figgins. Now get Abreu and you don't have to pitch to Torii in this scary spot.
This is the last guy I want to see at bat.
Lets go Yankees
Mariano Rivera, ladies and gentlemen.
I heart Mo!
alright team - score some runs and all will be right
Someone needs to get on before A-Rod
Mo is...Mo !!!
let's destroy Fuentes.
tough AB's. Score Truck our way to the pennant!!!
Alright Mo (and Swisher).
Gotta make something happen here, offense. I'm thinking a homer or two or three. Please?
Thanks be to Mo.
In retrospect, Mo could have come in way back in the seventh, instead of Hughes. Toughest situation, highest leverage in the game, best pitcher.
Oh well.
now william will say that mo bailed out girardi. but isn't it true that girardi, like us, knew there was a good chance that mo would bail joba out if joba got into trouble? it was worth the chance of getting through the 9th without having to use mo.
One run is swell, but I feel the Yankees HAVE to score 2 to have any hope. But what the fuck do I know? Let's fire up the Score Truck!!!
[1058] Preventing a run gives you the best chance to win this game, not saving your relievers.
Sadly, Mariano's performance puts on display Girardi's folly. Had he let Hughes navigate the bottom of the order in the 7th, it could have been Mo for 2 innings a trip to the World Series. The blue print was so obvious, it makes this loss hurt 100x more.
[1065] I'd say they both have to, or else A-Rod's getting a free pass to first.
a bloop and a boom and more Mo and we're outta here!
[1040] et al - as great as Robertson has been in the postseason, let us not let his awesome work over the past 2+ weeks make us forget that he walked a Bruney-esque 4.7 batters per 9 innings this year. There's a reason Girardi isn't going to him, or to Coke - he's not being misled by small samples in a tight situation. That, to me, is a-ok. (You could argue, I suppose, that Robertson was not being called on to face Figgins or Abreu - but Hunter and Morales are not totally walk-averse.)
And Fuentes is coming in to pitch the 9th. With Damon, Tex, and A-Rod due up. Awesome!
[1071] If Hughes isn't good enough to get out 2009 Vlad, why would he get Aybar out?
[1071] Nods
[1069] I love Mo, but expecting him to constantly strand runners at 3rd base with less than 2 outs is really an awful strategy.
[1068] i agree with that. with a 2 run lead and an off day tomorrow, you go to mo once aj lets 2 runners on. but i can't be too upset at girardi for not making a move that no manager would even consider. it's enough that he just used mo properly to keep the deficit at 1.
In the last
5 innings, AJ gave up
0 runs on
2 hits
Maybe a different manager goes to the BP
But there is no reason AJ can't start the 7th,
especially as Joba has not been good so far.
It was not the right move.
It was not the wrong move.
It was a reasonable move that didn't work...
because a player did not perform.
william,
if the Yankees do pull out the win here will you be happy? or disappointed? seriously, I can't tell
[1073] I envy your optimism.
[1075] If you dont think the relative pressure of both situations has an impact, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
[1077] Why? Its his job. And seeing as he's the best reliever and all . . .
[1077] Once the runners were on second and third, someone had to try to strand them. Mo is the best pitcher in the world to do it.
Going to Hughes turned out to be the truly awful strategy.
OH, FUCK ME!!
shoulda let it hit ya, JD! then steal 2nd...
christ almighty. hit it hard....
PLEASE TEX!!!!
also some bad hitting luck tonight
[1080] I'd be fine if the manager wouldn't keep giving games away. I can deal with it when the team gets beat.
They'll pitch around him, right?
The Yankees can't get beat by Brian Fuentes.
Damon hit it hard, Teix didn't
can you imagine if he does it again?!
that's RULE!
I would have preferred that Tex not swing at the first pitch he saw from Fuentes, but we kind of knew it would come down to this, didn't we?
I feel bad for Arod that it comes down to him again too...
[1083] Right, and Hughes should get Vlad. So, instead of making things easy, let's push them to the edge.
ok, a-rod can't really tie another game can he?
[1089] yup
Oh. They're really IBBing him.
That's not smart, it's just not. This gives us a real chance.
no, not if they don't pitch to him
Make the bastards pay, Hideki.
[1094] Not this time it won't. Oh well. If Hideki hits one out, that's the lead. I guess. This sucks.
What was the count on Damon?
[1095] He could have got Hunter out.
[1096] Well, no, he can't :-)
all my yen for a thrilla from godzilla
What I'm thinking of right now is the last game I saw at YS1.2. Giambi came up with the Yanks down by 1, 2 out in the bottom of 9th, to face BJ Ryan - a lefty. Giambi crushed a home run.
No reason Matsui, with his reverse platoon split, can't do the same right now.
I guess they actually have to pinch run for Alex. Dang. Damn.
Matsui can hit lefties..
Wait, what???
Now that's a questionable move.
I am not even going to waste energy complaining about this move.
Why did they PR?
If Guzman doesn't run, I take back any defense I had of Joe Girardi
i wanna see Upper Deki
[1102] I want to say it was 2-1.
Why isn't he running?
Well, it's the tying run, I think he had to pinch run.
that was NOT a strike
for the first time, he calls an inside pitch a strike
Bullshit call.
FUCKING RUN.
[1119] more awful zone bullshit -
Dammit. Now I really wish it were A-Rod on the basepaths instead of Guz.
Run now?
Running start. A double ties it...
This is unfathomable.
Okay, Rob, here we go!!!
wow
Christ!
do it Robbie!!!
Well done, Hideki. You're a pro.
Please, fucking Frosty.
oh boy...
Mattpat, there's another pinch stander for you!
Oh Christ. Another pinch stand there.
Wait..he took out A-rod??
Scioscia is, I believe, worried.
Double steal?
Can we pinch hit for Cano with JHair?
Do something good here Cano, and I'll name my children after you. I promise.
Up to Cano.
Gardner in.
I've got no fingernails left.
Just a single, Rob! Torii is about two miles deep.
And there's McCarver with his "no doubles defense" - c'mon Robbie, bloop that baby in there!
more wow
Wow.
yeesh
Oh man.
And the Swishmeister steps up!
This is awesome baseball!
Just walk, man, just walk.
bases loaded.
Swish is sooooo overdue.
kick ass here, Swish!!!
Of course -- it comes down to Swisher!
fuentes might be just a tad rattled
Come on SWISH!
How about another HBP? A Swisherific walk? A bloop single?
He hit Cano! He hit Cano!
And now our most patient hitter is up. He's also the guy who's really, really, REALLY due to come up with a big hit and drive in a run or 2 or 3 or 4.
Hi guys!
[1135] I can't even go there right now.
WORK A WALK !!!!!
Whew!
[1152] Hi Diane, just wanted to re-assure you, you've missed nothing of consequence.
whew foul ball
I'm sorry, my nerves can't take this.
whew. thank you blue!
patience Swish
Hi Diane!
Great baseball!
Why are Alex Rodriguez and Hideki Matsui out of this game?
Jesus.
Patience please.
[1156]
so I see ... LOL
Near death experience
what kind of swing was that??!!
Slow down that bat, dude, keep the hands back...
YOu fucking suck, Swisher!
PLEASE@@@!!!!
i think i would try to steal home here
Could we have a Calvin Schiraldi /Rich Gedman moment please ...
I am ready for disappointment.
cmon Swish
A wild pitch here would do my heart good...
Non-out event, Swisher, c'mon baby!
just got a piece...somehow
I can't take this...
change?
[1172] was just thinkin' that!
2-2.
Fuentes has nothing. Gotta make him pay.
i love chicks in hats!
fuck it just lean into one nick
[1180] the 1st girl they showed! : )
I'm going to have a heart attack right here, right now.
change, down? curve away?
3-2.
Oh, man, this is BASEBALL. Full count!
walk, baby, walk!!!
Ball 3.
.....
....
...
..
.
Wow...
The title of this post is really coming home right now.
Ohhhhhh damn.
Good try, boys, no quit.
See you all back in the Bronx, Banterers!
really..i can't take it..
what bullshit
boo
fuck.
HOW.
DO.
YOU.
MISS.
THAT.
PITCH?????????
Momma told me there'd be games like this ...
clinching is better at home anyway
So now, after all that, WHY THE FUCK DID WE REMOVE THE YANKEES 4 AND 5 HITTERS FOR PINCH RUNNERS THAT DID NOTHING?
Tough AB by Nick. Didn't work out.
Would be nice to see another outcome from our 3TO player
very exciting game, though
Andy - up to you!
seee ya
Swish looked tight up there. Fck.
Swisher has been so awful...I really feel bad for him...and for all these players who battle each and every game. It's just a shame that they are saddled by a manager whose incompetence has forfeited a trip to the World Series.
Joe Girardi is a disgrace.
are we actually gonna win this series?!?!?!
This is going to be a long two days.
So Yanks 3, Joe/Angels 2?
Why didn't he run Guzman? What was the fucking point?
[1200] Because Girardi wasn't looking to steal, he was looking for speed on the bases if someone blooped one in, or lined something into the outfield.
The last thing he wanted either of those guys to do was try to steal and get thrown out.
[1200] It's not even worth discussing...Girardi made his mark long before.
The O battled back, I think AJ gets the goat horns for putting on the first two batters in the 7th (that damn Mathis!), and Joe G for not pulling AJ atfer the first batter...
We'll get them on Saturday, and clinching at home IS better...
time to get very very DRUNK!!!
I thought Swisher was going to walk, then after the game was tied the inning would end and the Yankees cleanup hitters were going to be Guzman and Gardner...
[1209] what's the difference?
swisher is the goat of this series right now, although aj shit the bed for us today.
we'll win on saturday or sunday, but this sucks.
What a game.
This series is nerve-wracking.
I'd still rather be us than them.
Swisher is lost. He tried to grind one out, but that looked like a meatball to me.
[1205] "It’s just a shame that they are saddled by a manager whose incompetence has forfeited a trip to the World Series."
So your future TV says Yanks lose this thing in 7, then? I guess you won't be here on Saturday night, seeing as the Yanks have forfeited a trip to the World Series and all.
Too much gloom and doom, dude. Yogi wouldn't know what to do with you.
[1210] So he either thought Freddy Guzman can score from first, from a stand still, on a blooper, or that Alex Rodriguez is too slow to score from first on a gapper.
This man should never be allowed to use pinch runners.
i'm surprised there hasn't been a LoHud update in 50 minutes.
[1206] I really don't think so...the Angels have two wins, and both were gift wrapped by Girardi. At some point, they will just play better. Like in 2004, it's very hard to survive games that you just give away. Several poor decisions by Torre led to that collapse, and now we have Girardi doing the very same thing.
man sure does suck how Girardi struck out with the bases loaded to end the game
and did you see Girardi through that meatball to Guerrero right after he made him look foolish on the curve?
really though I think the goat tonight is Girardi for putting them in the hole with those 4 early runs
I need to go to bed
[1218] i won't be here Saturday - have a gig - another reason i wanted to win tonight!
at least i have beer : )
[1215] I want to know what the point was. I've been asking this for two years. If the goal wasn't to get someone into scoring position for Hideki Matsui, why did we take the best player on the team out of the lineup?
Sorry Hoss... guess it wasn't safe. My bad.
william, i really don't see how you can absolve the players and even pity them ([1205]) when they were so obviously bad. you are completely wrong about girardi today. the players (aj, hughes, and swisher mostly) lost this game.
it didn't go my teams way, but it sure was good theater. exciting baseball, to say the least.
i really do wish the Yankees won. please win this weekend in NYC!!!
We had this game and gave it right back to them. Bottom line is that Girardi only makes the moves but it is still up to the players to get the job done and they failed. If AJ or Hughes did their job this game would have easily been won. We'll just have to kick ass at home in game 6.
here's to andy stepping up big saturday
will be nice if both or even one of joba/hughes gets their shit together - least the o got some contributions from several folks tonight - but swisher is in an awful place
i didn't look "badly." he just looked "bad." for someone that always tries to speak properly, Timmay sure is a stoopid fuck.
oh, and fuck you, joe buck
[1218] I'll be watching, but I've seen too much baseball to feel confident. Teams that give away games find away of being the victim of misfortune. You just can't underestimate the damage that a bad manager can do in the playoffs. I hate being a broken record, but since the season I've been warning about this. I guess I am hoping someone in the Yankee organization would get the message, but that's really silly. There really is nothing that can be done...the Yankees have accepted an inferior manager and are now paying the price.
It was a terrible decision to take out A-Rod, because no way is ANYONE stealing there with 2 outs and like others have said, the chances of Guzman scoring on a play where A-Rod wouldn't are slim to none. It didn't effect the outcome, but if the game did somehow go into extras, well, what do you do then?
[1226] The players didn't perform, but the manager placed them in poor situations.
There's something particularly embarrassing about getting shut down by Brian Fuentes.
[1224] the point was to get some extra speed on the bases. it's not a crazy move. i personally would have left arod in, but we all know why he was taken out. you need to score that run to move on, and guzman give you a slightly better chance.
[1234] Matt, they weren't shut down. Teix had a bat at-bat and Swisher should've drilled his pitch, but I can't say it was a shutdown effort- dude was lucky. Damon smoked his ball.
[1232] He's done this for two years now. He used to take Giambi out all the time for the slower Wilson Betemit and then everyone would stand there until we lost.
It must be one of his tricks that I just don't get.
[1226] Unless they make flat out stupid decisions or don't put forth an effort, I see no reason to ever blame players. Baseball is a very hard game. Failure is common. A manager, however, should not regularly put his team in an awful position, which is what Girardi does. Swisher, Hughes, etc. didn't need to be in positions to fail...the game was there for the taking with anything resembling good game management.
I am probably way too heavily invested in this team, but I really do take it personally that an awful manager like Girardi continually makes an negative impact on this team.
[1232] Yes, that decision worries me far more than earlier ones by Joe. If the game was tied there and off into extra innings, we've lost the best hitter on our team..A-Rod is a good base-runner too..and then Guzman didn't even steal!! WTF?!?
I am not like William (in many ways!) but I have my doubts about Girardi..he makes odd moves...
[1238] Well said.
[1235] What was going to occur that would have scored Guzman (from a stand still anchored to first base) that wouldn't have scored A-Rod?
Fucking MATSUI scored from first on a two out gapper, so throw that out.
[1231] I am glad I did not hear what you were saying after Game 2 of the '96 Serious ended.
Or after Game 2 of the '98 ALCS.
Or after Game 2 of the '00 or '01 ALDS.
[1223] thelarmis - have fun on Saturday night - we know you'll be here in spirit! And i'll make sure to throw back a beer for you.
Good night, all.
[1242] The Yankees were flat out beat in those two games...they didn't give them away. It's not simply about losing.
[1241] give me a break. if guzman is faster than arod (he is), he has a better chance to score on a borderline play. maybe it's small and maybe it doesn't warrant taking out your best hitter, but it's still there. and it's completely mute.
[1238] they were also in position to win, and get to the world series even (they still are in great position for that, by the way). aj can't walk the tying run, and hughes can't shit the bed. they gave this game away. girardi did what he thought would give them the best chance to win. and none of his moves were irrational or demonstrably "wrong."
Bottom line is the guys to blame are AJ and Hughes, and to a lesser extent Swisher- but the offense scored 6 runs. I didn't agree with bringing AJ back out but it was defensible. He started the fire, and then Hughes threw gasoline on it. Posada did need to call a better pitch though, that's the second time they've made bad choices with Hughes' pitch selection in the playoffs (the other was to Punto).
Oh, and I can think of one reason that Guzman is a better runner than A-Rod - A-Rod had hip surgery a few months ago, Guzman didn't. All Girardi needs is A-Rod, killing himself to try to score that tying run, getting hurt because he shifted into 5 gear, or sliding into home plate. AFAIC, there was absolutely no reason NOT to run for A-Rod, steal or no.
[1244] It absolutely doesn't warrant taking out your best hitter. Especially since it was just the tying run on the road and there were two outs.
[1244] I am sure Girardi is doing what he thinks is best...that's the problem. His decisions are so obviously wrong though. I am not sure what evidence you need, but I guess it doesn't matter. It's possible to have different opinions. As soon as the Yankees went up by two, I flat stated that what it looked like Girardi was going to do would fail. Unfortunately, I was right. I wish I wasn't. I don't get any benefit. It just angers me that I can read the situation at home, but Girardi can not.
Steve Goldman, in that book he wrote about the Red Sox 2004 World Series win, credited the victory over the Yanks to Francona's pinch-running Dave Roberts for Millar, while Torre didn't pinch-run Bubba Crosby for Matsui. I guess Girardi doesn't want to be accused of making that mistake.
[1249] Wildly different scenarios.
[1248] yes, hughes proved beyond any reasonable doubt that you were right, he definitely should have started the inning. you are being so irrational now even i don't have patience for it.
we'll win game 6. goodnight.
[1242] thanks, Shaun! i'll be having a MUCH better gig if i know we're winning handily! oh, and i'll be throwing back some beers late night after that gig, regardless! : )
[1251] Again, if you dont think there is different pressure in both situations, than I think it is you who are being irrational.
[1244] I want to know what the play was. You seem to think there was a point to that, so I'd like to know the scenario where its effective?
Nothing annoys me more than that play, and its one of Joe's favorites, so I'd like to know the logic behind it if I'm going to have to see it over and over and over again for the next God knows how many years.
And If we're going to have a player whose one skill is speed, and we're going to use him there, why the fuck not steal and try to tie it on a Matsui single?
[1249] Dave Roberts than stole second base.
Freddy Guzman may still be standing around out there for all I know
If the Yankees are willing to admit their mistake and fire Girardi if this impending collapse ensues, then it will take away some of the sting of having Girardi give this season away (assuming they hire a competent manager). As much as it would hurt to give away a chance at the World Series, it would be great to be able to watch this team unencumbered by such a poor manager.
[1254] you know what the play was. a borderline rbi double, or a borderline rbi single if he gets to 2nd. there is logic to it that you are ignoring. the question is whether it outweighs losing arod in the lineup. i agree that it does not, but i also see the opposing argument. he has to score that run to get back in the game. anything that gives him a better chance to do that gives him a better chance to avoid losing. maybe it's shortsighted, but if he scores on a close play then they're still alive and we can all bitch about arod no longer being in the game once he comes up again. but as it is, it didn't even come into play.
[1239] I would not have done it, but it was not an odd move. If that runner doesn't score, the game is over. If 2 runs score, Mo probably wins it. ARod is not up for another 7 batters (assuming that runner scores). Again, I don't think it a great move, but I see the rational.
Now I ask you this:
1) He leaves ARod in, there's a double down the line, and ARod is thrown out at the plate. Then William decries for Girardi's head for not PRing for him
2) He leaves ARod in, there's a double down the line, and ARod is thrown out at the plate, and gets injured on the play. Then Mattpatt's head explodes.
The bottom line is, regardless of the thousands of posts William makes, is that the outcome is random... and most fans judge on the outcome (which is, of course, out of Girardi's hands).
80% of the time, Phil gets out of it, and we win, with Girardi pushing the right buttons.
[1255] There were no outs when Roberts stole...Guzman was on with two outs. He wasn't going to steal...the only advantage would be having Guzman score on a semi-gapper because anything that made the wall would definitely score Arod.
That decision was truly awful, but there are so many other things to be bothered by.
[1258] Wrong...I criticized the move beforehand. I don't second guess. I may beat a dead horse, but it's before the fact.
[1253] it's irrational when you completely ignore the opposing argument, or pretend that it has absolutely no merit. particularly when the only proof we do have is that hughes was ineffective tonight.
It's getting harder and harder to see them trot Nick out there.
Is it insane that I've been thinking about inserting Gardner long before this game?
I do think you probably need Nick in there for Game 6 - Game 6 is a game where you want to get to the Angels' bullpen, and struggling or not, you want Nick in that sort of lineup. But I was thinking about whether or not he belonged in the lineup tonight.
He just looks awful at the plate.
well, I missed the entire game while attending a work-related dinner (you know, martini's and fancy food on the company dime). I can't possibly read through the game thread without getting worked; my wife filled me in on some of the highlights. Sounds infuriating.
Not that it mattered (probably), but do we all still believe that Molina has magic AJ pixie dust?
[1257] What in the hell kind of double is going to get Matsui to second and not score A-Rod with two outs?
[1256] Who are the top three replacements?
[1261] What is the opposing argument: that AJ Burnett, who has a tendency to get wild, after 80 pitches is better than Hughes? I am sorry, but I think that's a very bad argument. If Hughes starts the inning and struggles, it's still a good move. Waiting until he had no marin of error, however, does not help the situation.
[1265] I'd love Showalter...but they should just do an extensive search. It all feels like it's too late anyway.
[1263] I want to know what the hell kind of warmup AJ did/had. He looked like dog feces from the first pitch. Not a catcher on earth could have changed what was going on with AJ's flat curves and lifeless fastball. You have to give him credit for rallying, but man, was I pissed at that log cake he plopped down between the mound and home plate.
He does lose some his entitlement to his special catcher with a performance like that, but I'd still go with the match.
[1264] it is completely irrelevant whether matsui is too slow to get to 2nd. the relevance is the speed of the lead runner. you're being silly now.
[1266] the opposing argument is that aj had shut down the angels since the 1st and looked better as teh game went on, was well below 100 pitches, and hughes and joba hadn't been great so far this postseason. and hughes DID still have a margin of error- he had a 1 run lead with 2 outs! i love hughes, but he was awful tonight. could he have been better had he started the inning? maybe, but again, he hasn't been effective tonight. and he did not have good command today.
Oh, the headline for the game recap should absolutely be "No Cigar."
[1269] My point is that any kind of booming hit by Matsui that would score Guzman scores A-Rod. We learned that tonight when Matsui himself scored on a gapper.
[1269] If it was CC or Andy, I could buy the he was "pitching well argument", but I think part of that has to do with the score being 4-0. AJ has a definite tempermental streak and I simply trust Hughes to start that inning a lot more than AJ. I think a manager with a better understanding for the game would have realized that. What's more, if you are iffy about Hughes in the 7th, when the bottom of the lineup is coming up, how can you use him in the 8th? It would have made more sense to just let Hughes start the 7th and then have Mariano to close things out. Girardi's strategy put way too many layers between Mariano.
[1271] but there are hits less than "booming" that can score a fast runner but not an average runner. do you really not understand that there are borderline situations? i would understand, and agree, if you think that it was the wrong move because the chance to score isn't worth losing arod's bat if we do score, but you can't just ignore the situation where a faster runner bails us out.
[1264] You mean you have NEVER seen a runner who was on 1st, thrown out at the plate on an extra base hit? That kind of hit. Going 1st to Home, Guzman has at least 3 steps on ARod. That's a HUGE difference in a close play at the plate.
Everyone thinks Francona was great for running Roberts. What if he was thrown out at 2nd (25% chance)? Then is Francona an idiot? He is neither genius or idiot. He tried something that was dangerous and ballsey, but had a fair chance of working. And it did. In another parallel universe, it doesn't.
Not a right call. Not a wrong call. Just a reasonable call that worked out.
Why is someone always to blame?
We have won 3 of 5 from a team that often beats us, and without Home Field advantage. That's .600 baseball. Why the need to always blame someone?
It's NOT healthy behavior.
[1270] no cigar, but i've got BEER !!! : )
[1272] as i said at the time, i would have gone to hughes for the 7th and let mo pitch 2. but it's a borderline call, especially since hughes has been shaky. and hughes came out and was shit, so i just don't see how you can feel so absolutely justified in your absolute opinion. if hughes comes in and gives up a bloop hit but then gets out of the inning, sure, it was a tough situation and understandable that he didn't get out of it. but he crapped the bed!
Am I to understand that A-rod was lifted for a PR? Please tell me this was in the 9th inning. Or rather, please tell me that this did not happen at all.
[1273] [1274]The only situation where I can see there *possibly* being a difference between the two is if he sent the runner and Matsui sliced it down the line.
[1277] 9th inning. guzman. he did nothing...
[1277] A-Rod was lifted for the speedy Freddy Guzman. It was the 9th, but there was the possibility of extra innings.
[154] I think they should have gone for the steal. Instead, Guzman stood there and did nothing, but Matsui walked so it didn't matter anyway. I also like the Brett pinch running for Matsui. I don't think taking Alex/Matsui's bat out of the lineup is a big deal when you are about to lose anyway.
I think you need 2 hits to score Guzman from first unless Matsui hits a double, which would have brought Alex home anyway... So pinch running and doing nothing is probably pointless. I think playing for the Stolen base + Single was Yankee's best chance, more so than single + single, or Matsui style double or home run.
[1276] The reason I feel justified is because I strongly believed Burnett would allow men on base, which would leave the game in Marte's hand (the first mistake, even though it worked out). My other thinking was that Hughes would benefit from a clean inning, especially at the end of the order. One of this team's strength has been Hughes and Mo at the end of the game...not pushing AJ and then relying on Marte and Joba in relief.
[1275] I've got work : (
So tired, so much work put off during that game.
[1282] I am with William. I would have started the 7th with Hughes. Burnett was pitching well, but as we saw in the first, it can turn in a hurry. It is defensible, but he should have been happy that Burnett got through 6.
I think it is unlikely that Hughes gives up more than 2 runs, but not impossible.
Brett Myers' wife hates cigars.
I think I am very glad I missed the game.
But I ask again--seriously--what is everyone's view on the Molina-AJ batery? Is it still justified after 6 innings, 6 runs, and 8 hits?
[1282] ok but hughes has also been one of the team's weaknesses this postseason. you strongly believed burnett would allow baserunners, but you also strongly believed marte would cough up the lead. he did not. yet you still think that was a mistake. there is no consistency here. and even if it had worked out you would say that you were right. there's no proving you wrong, because no matter the outcome you claim you were right. like you, i leaned towards going to hughes in the 7th, but you are absolutely wrong to think that it wasn't a close call between that and trying to get a few more outs out of aj, who had been good.
[1285] Maybe she just flinches any time he comes near her face after he beat her up.
Personally, I would shuffle the bullpen depth chart and move Robertson up quite a bit, but what do I know? And I grant that they might have to take it a little easy with him after the elbow problem.
Still, I blame Burnett over anybody, followed closely by Hughes.
[1283] i'm sorry man. tonight is my first beer since last saturday. none for me tomorrow, as my work is too late. i'll hoist one for ya!
[1285 & 7] i didn't watch it, but man, that shit w/ brett myers still pisses me off. same with that lesser pitcher in arizona/colorado - i think his name was bobby chiounard. just pointless, inexcusable bullshit.
[1289] i agree with everything you say. robertson should at least be ahead of joba right now.
[1285] Wow, that is one crazy video. There's obviously serious stuff that goes along with it, but it's reminiscent on a "did I just see that" level of the Tony Womack post game interview with the "is that your mom" line.
[1283] Say a prayer, as well. I need to find some serious inner strength right now.
[1286] AJ gave up 4 runs on 4 hits in the first.
In the next 5 innings, he gave up 0 runs on 2 hits.
In other words, relatively dominant.
There was nothing (other then him being AJ) that indicated AJ would not have a decent 7th inning... although the BP was up anyway.
He gave up a lead off single (it happens) but walked the next batter after being up 0-2. That was the killer. He was then pulled. Marte got an out on a sac bunt and a grounder that scored run #5. Then
Hughes started his appearance by walking his first batter, and then gave up 2 hits, and the tying and leading runs.
[1287] Has Hughes been a weakness? He has only pitched 4 1/3. In this series, he had 2 1/3 scoreless (2 hits/2 ks) innings. Why has Girardi all of a sudden lost confidence in him? Outcomes are really irrelevant after all. The bottom line is who would you rather trust with the WS on the line: Hughes to the bottom of the lineup and Mo to the heart, or AJ/Marte to the bottom and Hughes to the heart? In my opinion, Hughes is much better than AJ/Marte and Mo is much better than Hughes, so it's ano brainer. For most of the season, I think Girardi would have agreed with that. If he has let two shaky innings in Minnesota allow him to lose confidence in Hughes, that doesn't strike me as a defense.
[1286] it is not justified. posada should start every game from now on. if aj had been good tonight, i would say we should stick with molina to not mess with aj mentally. but aj was not only bad with molina, he also pitched (relatively well) to posada. he should understand why posada will now catch him. and i think he will.
[1295] He was really bad in the ALDS
In summary, I think the bottom line is you get this game to Mariano as soon as possible. Girardi's blueprint had Mariano has the 4th or 5th link in the chain. The Yankees recent post season history should speak to how important it is to get Mo in these games. Instead, Girardi put him on the back burner. I think that's an eggregious error. I guess not everyone feels that way. It doesn't matter...either way, the Yankees just gave away a great chance to advance, and if they do blow this series, no one is going to be happy: not me for thinking I am right about Girardi, and not you or others who think Girardi's decisions are mostly dependent on how the players perform.
[1297] 2IP, 5H and 3Ks is bad, but awful? I seem to recall more than a few bleeders. I also recall him getting a couple of very big outs. The bottom line, however, is two innings shouldn't erase how important he has been.
I'm still confident.
Girardi has not lost confidence in Hughes. He is still our #2 guy in the Pen. Marte was brought in to face A-Boo-Boo, who, as someone pointed out earlier, does not have great numbers again LH batters. And Marte got a weak ground out (even though you insist it was the wrong move).
[1295] hughes had a bad division series and was bailed out by mo in game 3 after giving up a double. a manager can't just ignore recent performance. at any rate, hughes came out and was bad. and all he had to do was get 1 out to keep the lead. instead, he had no fastball control and gave up the tying then the winning runs. maybe he would have had better control had he come on to start the inning. but maybe not.
[1294] AJ gave up 4 runs on 4 hits in the first.
In the next 5 innings, he gave up 0 runs on 2 hits.
In other words, relatively dominant.
There was nothing (other then him being AJ) that indicated AJ would not have a decent 7th inning…
That doesn't really answer the question. "Relatively dominant" in this case equates to a 6.00 ERA (4 runs in six innings). More importantly, you note "him being AJ," which seems to imply a meltdown at any moment.
So, I ask again, is the general sense that starting Molina made (or makes) any diference, or will it always be "him being AJ"? Did Molina behind the plate prevent the damage from being worse, or does anyone think that AJ's antics are not bound closely to whomever catches him?
[1293] well, hey man, if there's some truly serious stuff going on, then i *absolutely* wish you the VERY best. take good care!!! : )
i've been there myself. i'm sure you'll pull through!!!
William, I question some of Girardi's moves as well, but come on man, this team won 103 games and they are within one win of the World Series. And he has brought his closer in into a tie (or even losing game) on the road. No manager is going to be perfect, but its not like this team won 65 games and missed the playoffs.
[1298] right, the yankees gave away a chance to advance. not the manager, the team.
[1303] It should probably be noted that Molina being in the game meant Swisher was batting one spot higher in the order. Obviously, everything would have been different, but still, Molina's impact on the lineup is more than just an out in the 9th spot.
I'm most mad, of course, because I predicted the Yankees would the series in five games. drat!!
[1299] He completely collapsed in game 2 (very similar to tonight, actually), and in game three he was the pitcher for the Punto play.
I'd say he was pretty awful.
[1303] i think it's all in his head, and that as long as he was pitching well to molina you had to stick with it. but now he did not pitch well (and i think oyf was referring to innings 2-6 as dominant, not the start as a whole). so now you have to go with posada.
[1285] i watched it. first of all, brett myers is a fucking cocksucking scumbag weasel fuck who deserves to have his face turned into an ashtray for a million cigars. secondly, he doesn't deserve such a beautiful, understanding and caring wife. finally, cigars are flat out GROSS!!! ick.
i've played upwards of a THOUSAND gigs at a cigar bar and it is nothing short of vile. i will never, in an infinite lifetimes, ever understand why they are considered: high brow, celebratory and upscale. it's literally like smoking ass; plus, it's expensive and you don't even exhale. easily one ot the *dumbest* things on the planet.
[1308] i predicted a sweep, so i'm doubly mad. or maybe i'm not as mad since i was already wrong. i can't figure it out.
either way, we can both agree: yankees in 6.
[1308] i predicted Yanks in 6, but of course, i'm thinking we don't survive the LCS now!!! : ~
[1305] I don't get the 103 wins argument. All season, I've first guessed Girardi and feared he would do something to cost this team post season games. I believed then and still do now that only Girardi could prevent them from winning the World Series. So far, that has been an accurate assessment, in my opinion, which I accept that not every shares.
[1306] That's your opinion...I think the manager is most responsible.
i just hope we get good Andy in Game 6
[1309] Again, I am not willing to disregard Hughes season because of a couple of bad ABs against the Twins. If that's why Hughes was not brought in to start the 7th, I think the mistake is that much worse. At least having faith in AJ has some defense (although not much).
[1312] Yes, I concur. Yankees in 6.
[1314] the problem is that after your first guesses, you maintain that you were right no matter the outcome. and beyond that, you act as if there was no possible rationale for the moves girardi did make. it's fine to disagree with the moves made, but you can't pretend that you were always 100% right just because you say so. it's not fair to use bad outcomes as proof of your being right but dismiss good outcomes as meaningless.
[1303] I don't think this will get support around here, but I still would stick with Molina. I absolutely think the odds of AJ pulling it back together would have been lower without Molina behind the plate. And Molina had absolutely nothing to do with AJ's sickening lack of stuff coming out of his warmup.
Two out of three times Molina helped us get good AJ - like I said before the playoffs, good AJ is a legit #2, but bad AJ is so bad that he will bury a team in hole it is hard to get out of. On the third time, when he did the latter, it was all about his initial enfeebled stuff.
[1316] the question is who do you have more faith in in that situation. do you really think hughes's recent performance is not relevant to that evaluation?
[1315] So do I, but now all the pressure is on the Yankees. I didn't think there was a parallel to 2004, but now I think there definitely is. Ironically, had the Yankees just lost this game 4-0, I would be pretty confident, but I think blowing this game (whether because of Girardi, as I feel, or because of the players) puts all those comparisons back into the play. Whomever you blame, the Yankees should have won this game. The Angels have to feel like they were given a second life and should be pretty loose. Meanwhile, the Yankees have to know that they gave a game away. So many of the post game interviews kept bringing up that 3-2 lead, but it kind of sounded like a crutch. Basically, I think this series will be decided in the first half of game 6. If the Yankees are trailing at that point, the pressure of another collapse could become like an avalanche.
[1319] but he pitched to posada in the 5th and 6th without problem. and i don't think it's fair to blame posada for the 7th.
[1308] I’m most mad, of course, because I predicted the Yankees would the series in five games. drat!!
I predicted Yankees in six, so this is probably my fault...
[1321] I think the day off could potentially be the worst possible thing for this team. Especially Hughes and Swisher.
[1321] angels need to win at yankee stadium. the balance of the "pressure" is still with them. and i doubt you'd be any more confident had the game ended at 4-0. isn't it better that they came back and almost won it rather than gave up?
[1318] I haven't been 100% right, but I've been right far too often (and it's not because I'm smart, but because I think Girardi is so bad). I also don't think outcomes really matter when it comes to judging the decision, except of course it's the outcomes that make the decisions worthy of scrutiny.
[1322] wait, half of his "dominance" came with Po behind the plate? did anyone see famine or pestilence or the like?
[1320] Hughes recent performance in this series has been pretty good. Regardless, what sticks in my mind is how dominant Hughes had been for 50+ innings in the pen, not the fact that Nick Punto and Denard Span got a couple of hits.
[1325] Being on the brink of elimination and surviving can really lift a team. The opposite is true of the team that lets the opportunity slip through their fingers.
Also, why was Joba warming up in the bullpen until the Yankees took the lead? Once they went ahead, Joba sat down and Hughes and Marte got up. That makes me believe Joba was coming into a tie game. If Girardi had that much confidence in AJ, why the change in pitchers?
[1327] he was fine.
[1328] doesn't the fact that it was the likes of punto and span point towards the idea that hughes may not be on top of his game at this point? i'm sorry to keep arguing with you, but i don't think you are being reasonable. hughes's recent performance is very important in evaluating him now. you must know that.
[1329] Maybe it can be, but the vast majority of teams that face eliminate down 3-1 (or 3-0) lose the series. Obviously all of the teams that came back to win their series had to win the first elimination game (game five, when down 3-1), but that's just another way of saying that teams that came back, er, came back. At the same time, teams have gone game five (now down 3-2) and gone on to lose the series.
in the end, I'm not convinced there is much historical evidence to support the contention that winning an elimination game gives the team that is down any sort of "lift." It just seems like when teams are down 3-1 or 3-0, they generally lose the series, even if they pick up one win before elimination.
[1330] perhaps if they were still down, he'd have backed up aj with joba instead of marte/hughes? seems to make sense to me.
[1316] Did you read [1301]?
[1331] That's fine...I wont be able to sleep anyway.
No...singles by Punto and Span do not trump a whole season of relief dominance. If you are going to be that spooked by such a small sample, than how the hell do you bring Hughes in with the game on the line?
[1334] No...I had not. Why?
[1321] "Ironically, had the Yankees just lost this game 4-0, I would be pretty confident"
Hahahaha. While that would have been ironic, there is no way I believe that. If the Yanks had lost 4-0, volumes would have been written about the offense needing to wake up, Cano's ineptitude and lack of team preparation [85] and whether Tex will ever hit again and whether Swish's brains work, etc...
[1335] i can't sleep whether the yankees win or not. : /
[1332] It's not just losing a game...it's how you lose it. The Yankees had a lead with one out to go until Mo. That's as close to the brink as you can get.
[1333] Joba was warming until the Cano hit. Why would you go to Joba in a tie, but stick with AJ with the lead?
Hughes says he was trying to be "too fine' to Hunter. I always took "too fine" to mean "nibbling." None of the four called balls were within eight inches of the strike zone.
[1338] Sorry about that...I have to get up at 4:30am, and like Monday, will wind up not getting any sleep at all.
[1339] But you stated this as some sort of truism or general law. What is the historical evidence that tough losses (for the team up in a series) in the playoffs give the team facing elimination a special lift? Is there a strong correlation between such tough losses and teams blowing the 3-1 lead to lose the series? Or does it only apply to teams that fail to get to Mo by one out? If so, that's a pretty small historical sample.
[1335] the point is, if you have to make a choice between 2 options that are close, the recent performance of hughes has to make a difference. once aj fucks up the situation is totally different, and you have to get him out of the game. as you point out, girardi did not lose confidence in hughes so much that he kept him out of the game. in fact he hoped that hughes would help bail aj out of a tough situation. aj had been good for 5 innings and hadn't thrown many pitches and had a 2 run lead in the 7th; hughes hadn't been his dominant self lately. so he started the 7th with aj. then aj fucked up and he brought in marte to face the lefties, which worked out. then he went to hughes to get 1 last out, and hughes sucked. so you feel justified in thinking hughes should have started the inning. i feel justified in thinking girardi made a reasonable decision.
Another point...if Girardi was spooked by Hughes ALDS...and thought he wasn't good enough to face lefties Figgins and Abreu, how does he let him face Morales, who has huge lefty/righty splits.
It's one thing if Girardi has been consistent this post season, but instead he has really been all over the map.
[1342] ah, i hear ya, man. and, seriously, sleep is of paramount importance. i can't stress that enough. i hope you and i both get some real sleep sometime soon.
beyond that, really, all i want is for the Yankees to win the World Series.
that would just RULE!!!
and with that, i'm headed to the watering hole. gotta get outta my apt before i go stir crazy....
GO YANKS!!!
[1343] What makes you think I was stating a truism. I am giving my opinion about how I feel about this series. Many here feel confident because the team is up 3-2 with two games at home...I feel like the Angels have yet to play well, but still have a life. I also think all of the pressure is on the Yankees, and while many may not believe in that, I think it has a huge influence on these games.
[1340] my assumption is that aj would have started the 7th no matter what. the difference was who would come in if he didn't get through it. it isn't crazy to go to joba instead of hughes if the game is still tied.
[1344] That's fine...but I still think Hughes starting the seventh with no men on base is a much better option than AJ. You and Girardi are on the same page...I am on a completely different one. Even if it worked out, I would be convinced that Girardi made the wrong choice...the fact that it didn't doesn't make me feel vindicated, it just adds insult to injury.
[1347] the angels have to go to yankee stadium and win 2 games. first they have to beat andy with joe saunders. then they have to beat cc, who has dominated them twice. OBVIOUSLY they feel better now than they did before winning this game. but they still have a much harder task than the yankees. we'll see what happens.
To me the goat is Swisher. Bench his ass.
[1348] But why would Joba be warming then? Surely not to face Abreu and Figgins? The fact that Marte and Hughes got up once the Yankees took the lead seems to strongly suggest that AJ was getting the first two hitters, Marte was getting Figgins and Abreu and Hughes was getting Hunter and Vlad. Relying on three pitchers to get through the inning strikes me as a disaster waiting to happen.
[1349] no william, i also wanted hughes to start the 7th ([645]). but unlike you, i see the validity of the other option. you are on a page that thinks there are absolute right and wrong decisions in baseball. i'm on one that doesn't.
now i'm going for real. we'll win game 6, and if not, game 7 for sure.
[1350] We will see what happens is right. Of course, we shouldn't have to wait. Irrational or not, I strongly believe that if the Yankees had a more competent manager, the only thing we'd be waiting for is the start of the World Series. Obviously, I put way to much importance on these games, but it I have to admit that it makes me very angry that we have to wait and see what happens because Girardi can't figure out how to managed late in games.
[1353] In that spot, yes, I think there was one right decision. I wish Girardi had given it a chance.
[1347] Not wanting to get in between the discussion between you and 51cq24, but he is probably reacting to your writing style. Many times you say something things like "The Yankees were flat out beat in those two games…they didn’t give them away. It’s not simply about losing." or "Being on the brink of elimination and surviving can really lift a team. The opposite is true of the team that lets the opportunity slip through their fingers."
Those statements are made with a tone of *fact* not opinion. You may mentally be inserting the "I think" in front of those sentences (and maybe in person, your body language or voice inflection would indicate this) but it doesn't come across as such in text.
So then people who would gladly allow you your opinion are then responding to what seems to be your statements of fact. I think that is why your posts engender more animated responses.
[1351] Bench Swisher in favor of whom?
[1356] Aren't those clearly opinions though? Does everyone else qualify their posts with "I think" and "in my opinion".
[1351] Against the lefty Saunders, the Yankees have no options, unless you want to give Hairston a try.
actually, one last thing. the world series will have normal off days, so if we get there we have to either go with an extra starter or start all 3 pitchers on short rest, and cc on short rest twice. if we win on saturday, i think you still go with cc on short rest in games 4 and 7. but what about the other games? i'd go to pettitte in game 2 and start gaudin in game 5. that way pettitte doesn't have to hit in philadelphia, and aj only has to pitch once.
[1360] I'd sign up for Gaudin in game 1, 4 and 7 if the Yankees make it to the World Series. What happens over the weekend will really dictate how they'd set things up.
[1358] if your opinion is backed up by another opinion that you're right and everyone who disagrees is wrong, that's pretty absolute. of course you're only expressing your opinion. it's the secondary opinion that bothers me.
still, we all enjoy you being here, and i wouldn't want you gone. i just think you are going way over the top tonight.
[1362] Don't you think your opinion is right (that leaving AJ in was reasonable)? I don't think it was reasonable. Clearly, this is a matter of opinion. I'd like to think that if one has an opinion, it is usually because they think it is correct. I've given my reasons why I think my opinion is valid, and you've done the same.
I realize I've been over the top and repetitive, but I do actually believe Girardi cost them this game (I am not just venting) and really feel strongly that they will now lose this series. So, if now isn't the time to go over the top, when?
I'll tell you something that bothers me - Lackey is going to piss and moan about the Posada walk being a strike out, and my Red Sox fan friend pointed to it as evidence of a conspiracy - he had been out of the house for the earlier Damon call at first base, which was yet another jaw-droppingly bad call (the umps have just sucked, period, no conspiracy, just unbelievable levels of suck).
But I had seen the beginning of that at bat right before my stream dropped. And it had sure seemed to me that the first two strikes called on Posada were questionable. I checked pitch fx, and sure enough, they were both balls.
You got two free strikes in that at bat - the last call was wrong, but the former is a tiny bit of reason to consider shutting the fuck up, Mr. Lackey.
[1356] No. They are not clearly opinions. If they were *clearly* so, people wouldn't then be asking your for data to backup your assertions --as they did in response to your "brink of elimination" statement. Nor would someone think you stated a "truism."
And yes, even if *everyone* doesn't qualify their posts with "I think" or "in my opinion", most do employ those phrases more than you. I think.
Anyway, I am just making a point about style and giving you a new perspective on the reaction your statements elicit.
[1363] They may lose this series, but the odds say that they don't, and you sure sound like an epic whiner/scaredy-cat posting as though this is the likely outcome.
Massive douche Wally Matthews authored a "Yanks Two Games Away From An Epic Collapse" bit of nonsense - which is just so much horse shit. What were they a game ago? One game away from a monumental triumph over a nemesis? When the series started, should he have run a headline, "Yanks Four Games Away From A Painful Defeat"???
They lost a game. They had a chance to close out the series, it didn't happen, and the headline is still "Angels Face Must Win in Game 6."
Whether you are a whiner, or a scaredy cat, or just a Cassandra, I know I'm glad you're not our manager, because you have the constitution of a noodle without the slightest bit of al dente.
The Yanks took the one game of three that they needed, they took the two games at home that they had to have, and now the have the reward of a two game (max) series at home, where they need to win one.
I like where we are. I'm not happy about tonight, but it is what it is. As George Costanza would say, "We've got hand."
[1364] yeah, one of them was really far outside.
[1363] sometimes you have absolute opinions that you always think are right, otherwise they wouldn't be your opinion. like actual beliefs and things like that. but in games like baseball, there are almost always compelling reasons for various moves. sometimes it can be so clear that it's just about absolute. but a lot of the time it's so close that you can only predict which option will work out best. i don't believe you've presented evidence that this was a situation with an absolute correct move. and i believe you dismiss not only the compelling factors against that move, and not only the results, but also even the chance that it would work out even if it were the wrong decision. and i've hardly if ever heard you admit that something was a close call even if you thought one option was slightly better.
[1365] I think monkeypants was being a little facetious. He is more of the hardline by the numbers type, while I subscribe to more of a psychology approach. Often times, I’ll talk about momentum, and he’ll ask me for evidence. I don’t think he believes I am stating facts, but maybe he can answer that.
Also, if we are going to nitpick, don’t you mean, “No. They are not clearly opinions,” in my opinion (and perhaps in monkeypant’s opinion)?
I appreciate the advice, but I think the reason why I engage in spirited debates is because I often have very strong opinions…ones that leave room for disagreement. If no one was interested in having debates, there wouldn’t be any point in expressing them. I also realize that when you have a disagreement, it's easy to think the other person is being dogmatic, but that is often a matter of perspective.
[1367] In this instance, I don't think Hughes was slightly better than AJ...I think it was an obvious decision because of how great Hughes has been in relief all season. I can pretend that I see merit to the AJ move, but I don't, especially when you consider the issue of Joba warming up. When it is a close call, I always freely admit, but not surprisingly, those posts (and I probably have way too many here) don't elicit much of a response. Why would they, after all?
[1369] So how about that Bill O'Reily..quite a character, ain't he? :)
We'll get them on Saturday, I am fully confident Joe Saunders will NOT shut down our lineup again!
[1370] I never watch Bill O'Reilly...or really listen to Rush Limbaugh. I also am really no longer a very political person (the old spirit just rises out when others get too political). Rather, I really only allow more important things to have an impact on me...like whether the Yankees win or lose. I guess that's why I react more strongly to a Joe Girardi gaffe than the way others might react to things like Afghanistan and healthcare. Heck, when President Obama was elected, one of my first thoughts was the Yankees do better under a Democrat.
[1369] the 2nd part is definitely true, to an extent: we wouldn't take note of an uncontroversial post, but iwth you it might be more notable than an absolute statement. still, even if you do freely admit a close call even when you slightly side one way, and even if our opinions are a matter of perspective, i think you'd admit that you post more absolute statements than anyone else. as you say, that's fine and often good for conversation. other times it's irritating, particularly when the yankees lose or are losing or when you continually repeat the same opinion as fact despite much disagreement from other posters, which you often ignore or dismiss offhand. when both happen together, it's hard to take. it's good to have spirited arguments, but i don't think it's true that you always leave room for disagreement.
[1372] I "absolutely" post more strong opinions...ones in which I have absolute conviction. So, yes, of course I do. Then, again, I probably post more altogether, so who knows what by absolute percentage is. I also never ignore anyone's responses (with one notable exception), so I am not sure from where you've gotten that impression. Having said that, I freely admit that I can seize onto something that I think is directly responsible for the Yankees losing, but in this forum (especially a game thread), I would think there is no bigger issue. When one thing is dominating your mind, it's pretty much all you have to say. I don't hink I am shouting down other's opinions, but If that annoys everyone, I can definitely make an effort to tone it down.
[1373] i don't think you literally ignore posters, i think you sometimes ignore the possibility that other opinions are legitimate. so when you initially say that girardi is definitely wrong, and other people give legitimate rationales for his move, you may address those posters but you will then later declare the same thing as an absolute. not as "i really think girardi should have gone to hughes to start the 7th," but "girardi has absolutely given away yet another game." this is frustrating for those of us whose opinions are being overlooked as not only wrong, but as not even plausible.
but no, i don't think you need to make an effort to tone it down. it's all just a game anyway.
Well. I am finally done with work today (grant deadline looming), so I am off to sleep. Good night all.
I really need the Yanks to win Saturday because I have tix for a Game 7 on Sunday. Since the deadline is Monday 9am, I will probably have to work Sunday into the evening. So if there is a game, I have to choose between going to the Stadium and pulling an all-nighter or getting stuff done at a decent time (something my Boss is pushing hard for since he will have to stay up as well otherwise).
I really really hope there is no Game 7 and it doesn't go into extra innings.
[1374] It's apoint well taken, but again, in this situation, I can't stress anymore how absolutely wrong I thought leaving AJ was. I stated in [677], [684] and [688]. I wish I could see some merit in the decision, but I just can't. If so, maybe I'd be sleeping now. One thing I always try to do is first guess before the outcome, but still, I can see your point. Just because I may THINK I am right about Girardi, doesn't mean I have to let everyone else know about it.
[1376] There will be no Game 7.
[1378] my dear friend, i hope you are more right than anything in the world!
wow, i don't think i've been in this bad of shape since....well, i can't remember. damn, not good! it's not just the Yanks game, it's a whole bunch of shit coming together. but it's all hitting at once. not a whole lotta fun...
GO ANDY !!!
[1380] I don't think I like the sound of that. Keep your chin up thelarmis!