i hope they work something out with wang. it really doesn't make sense to me to just let him go when he has a chance to be a very good #3 or even 2. but shoulder injuries are tough, and he's had a few issues there, hasn't he?
i really hope cmw can come back and be an effective mlb pitcher again. and i really hope it can somehow be with the yankees, but it doesn't look like that will be the case - nevertheless i will be rooting for him. i feel bad for the guy. i don't think the yankees handled his recovery this year as well as they should have.
Once again, though - just because he's becoming a free agent doesn't mean it's "so long" time ... Cashman himself says in the linked article, "We are still hopeful that our relationship can continue.” So it's not a foregone conclusion that he's out of the picture, especially because it seems pretty natural the Yankees would want to avoid giving him a raise considering where he's at.
[5] i don't disagree in theory - but i don't think the yankees have really thought of him as a top pitcher because of his low k rate and in some instances they have not treated him that hot - refusing to give him a contract on two occasions now, going to arb over $600K, handling his recovery this year, etc.
i realize some of this was smart business decisions but i can understand from wang's pov being salty about it and if anyone else expresses interest he may want to go there for a fresher start - regardless of what epmd said, sometimes business is personal
You can never have enough starting pitching. Though right now the Yankees would have Wang as the #6 starter simply because we don't know if he's recovered from all his injuries. I would like something to get worked out, but if not, well that's just business.
[0] I was having this exact conversation with a friend on another thread. There are two issues in play here: 1) This is not the first, or even second, shoulder injury Wang has experienced during his tenure. For a sinkerballer to have these kind of durability problems up top, that's a direct result of having an inconsistent arm slot. ... 2) The bigger concern is his competitiveness. This is my opinion formed in covering him for two years, and Verducci's reporting in the Torre book confirmed my theory: he's not a guy who wants the ball in big-game situations. All three guys the Yankees trotted out there in the postseason -- Sabathia, Burnett, and Pettitte -- would have wanted the ball in a Game 7. Wang always struck me as passive and content with whatever outcome occurred, positive or negative.
[17] that sounds like total bullshit to me. if you have a concrete reason for saying it, then say the reason. otherwise it sounds stupid and lazy. wang seems to me to be a low-key type of guy, but that definitely doesn't mean he's content with any outcome, or lacks competitiveness or eagerness to pitch in big games. every once in a while he would show some emotion, most notably after zimmerman's game winning home run a few years ago. while he doesn't normally show that emotion, i have seen nothing to suggest he cares less than anyone else. what did you see that made you form your "theory"? and what did verducci say to "confirm" it?
Hm, I gotta say I can't blame Wang if he's wants to get away from the Yanks. I don't think they've been bad to him, but they haven't exactly given him the "Yankee treatment" either - plus their handling of his injury was sub-par.
I feel more comfortable with his departure if it's his decision. Seems like the terms of the deal the Yanks are offering are reasonable enough.
[17] I never saw any evidence of Wang not wanting the ball and I don't find Joe Torre's insights into the "guts" of men very accurate. I like and respect Torre but it's pretty clear that he played favorites and had 'his guys' in NY. Wang always did better than his stuff would indicate, which seems the opposite result you would get from somebody who didn't want the ball. Rivera is always very accepting of outcomes win or lose and I don't think he's passive or content with losing. Are you only a competitor if you grimace every time something goes wrong and wreck water coolers like a nine year old and/or Paul O'Neill throwing a tantrum?
Wang was always much better at home but I attribute that to him having a fine tuned pitching stride that benefited from the home mound. He wasn't the most versatile pitcher but that's a lot different than saying he didn't compete.
[18][20] Couldn't agree more. Also, with all due respect to [17], unless you had beat writer level access and could speak to Wang in his native tongue, I can't imagine how you could determine that Wang was not competitive. Winning 55 major league games seems very competitive to me.
Whose the chick?
Dunno. Found her on Google Images.
where is she and where does she have to get to?
i hope they work something out with wang. it really doesn't make sense to me to just let him go when he has a chance to be a very good #3 or even 2. but shoulder injuries are tough, and he's had a few issues there, hasn't he?
i really hope cmw can come back and be an effective mlb pitcher again. and i really hope it can somehow be with the yankees, but it doesn't look like that will be the case - nevertheless i will be rooting for him. i feel bad for the guy. i don't think the yankees handled his recovery this year as well as they should have.
Once again, though - just because he's becoming a free agent doesn't mean it's "so long" time ... Cashman himself says in the linked article, "We are still hopeful that our relationship can continue.” So it's not a foregone conclusion that he's out of the picture, especially because it seems pretty natural the Yankees would want to avoid giving him a raise considering where he's at.
[5] i don't disagree in theory - but i don't think the yankees have really thought of him as a top pitcher because of his low k rate and in some instances they have not treated him that hot - refusing to give him a contract on two occasions now, going to arb over $600K, handling his recovery this year, etc.
i realize some of this was smart business decisions but i can understand from wang's pov being salty about it and if anyone else expresses interest he may want to go there for a fresher start - regardless of what epmd said, sometimes business is personal
[6] If Wang is salty, there really isn't much more to say about it, is there???
Hearing Cardinal rumors. Dave Duncan could be exactly what he needs.
That is a hot picture, makes you kinda forget about feeling bad for CMW.
[9] I dunno man, I'd be careful about going down that road if I were you... >;)
Sissy Hankshaw telling The Wanger Even Cowgirls get the blues. Good Luck to CMW.
Salty Wang???
[11] Thumb's too small.
RAB has new news on Wang.
http://riveraveblues.com/
i would gladly trade cmw for the girl in the photo! ; )
remember that hbo show 'the hitchhiker'?
You can never have enough starting pitching. Though right now the Yankees would have Wang as the #6 starter simply because we don't know if he's recovered from all his injuries. I would like something to get worked out, but if not, well that's just business.
[15] But look at it this way, Sergio Mitre has just edged a little closer to the rotation. It looks like his luck is turning!
[0] I was having this exact conversation with a friend on another thread. There are two issues in play here: 1) This is not the first, or even second, shoulder injury Wang has experienced during his tenure. For a sinkerballer to have these kind of durability problems up top, that's a direct result of having an inconsistent arm slot. ... 2) The bigger concern is his competitiveness. This is my opinion formed in covering him for two years, and Verducci's reporting in the Torre book confirmed my theory: he's not a guy who wants the ball in big-game situations. All three guys the Yankees trotted out there in the postseason -- Sabathia, Burnett, and Pettitte -- would have wanted the ball in a Game 7. Wang always struck me as passive and content with whatever outcome occurred, positive or negative.
[17] that sounds like total bullshit to me. if you have a concrete reason for saying it, then say the reason. otherwise it sounds stupid and lazy. wang seems to me to be a low-key type of guy, but that definitely doesn't mean he's content with any outcome, or lacks competitiveness or eagerness to pitch in big games. every once in a while he would show some emotion, most notably after zimmerman's game winning home run a few years ago. while he doesn't normally show that emotion, i have seen nothing to suggest he cares less than anyone else. what did you see that made you form your "theory"? and what did verducci say to "confirm" it?
Hm, I gotta say I can't blame Wang if he's wants to get away from the Yanks. I don't think they've been bad to him, but they haven't exactly given him the "Yankee treatment" either - plus their handling of his injury was sub-par.
I feel more comfortable with his departure if it's his decision. Seems like the terms of the deal the Yanks are offering are reasonable enough.
[17] I never saw any evidence of Wang not wanting the ball and I don't find Joe Torre's insights into the "guts" of men very accurate. I like and respect Torre but it's pretty clear that he played favorites and had 'his guys' in NY. Wang always did better than his stuff would indicate, which seems the opposite result you would get from somebody who didn't want the ball. Rivera is always very accepting of outcomes win or lose and I don't think he's passive or content with losing. Are you only a competitor if you grimace every time something goes wrong and wreck water coolers like a nine year old and/or Paul O'Neill throwing a tantrum?
Wang was always much better at home but I attribute that to him having a fine tuned pitching stride that benefited from the home mound. He wasn't the most versatile pitcher but that's a lot different than saying he didn't compete.
[18] [20] Couldn't agree more. Also, with all due respect to [17], unless you had beat writer level access and could speak to Wang in his native tongue, I can't imagine how you could determine that Wang was not competitive. Winning 55 major league games seems very competitive to me.